Is This the 2nd Biggest Conspiracy of All?


The re-emergence of the Flat Earth theory is challenging everything we thought we knew. Could it really be true? Above is a possible representation of a flat earth, with the Arctic at the center and the Antarctic a giant wall of ice on the circumference.

The recent rise of the Flat Earth Movement

and those pushing the flat earth theory has taken the webosphere and blogosphere by storm. It is, I would say, the 2nd biggest conspiracy of all. The interest has apparently been started and spearheaded by Matthew Boylan, former NASA contractor, and Eric Dubay, author of The Flat Earth Conspiracy. The idea of a flat earth has now attracted and converted some high-profile names, such as Andrew Basiago, the man who claims he teleported to Mars as part of Project Pegasus in the 1960s and 1970s. Basiago, by the way, revealed in this interview with Lisa Harrison that he intends to join the 2016 presidential race! Imagine the exposure a mass audience would receive if Basiago could start delving into topics such as teleportation, Mars colonies, extraterrestrials and the flat earth theory …

For the record, I am not saying I believe the Earth is flat, but I am open to the possibility. Clearly, more investigation needs to be done, and it would be wisest to admit we don’t know something rather than proceed as if we did – especially when the conspiracy cuts so deep and the deception has infiltrated every area of our lives. Socrates, the father of philosophy, showed that questions are more powerful than answers; indeed, his questions were so powerful that the leaders of Athens put him to death for them.

Let us never be afraid to ask questions – it is the only way we can learn and be truly sure of things.

Whatever the answer turns out to be, the idea that the Earth on which we all live could indeed be flat has ignited intense curiosity and healthy debate – and has already shaken people out of their apathy and generated critical thinking. This in itself is a victory for freedom, because once enough people start to question their reality in every way, the conspiracy will collapse, being only held up by deception and subterfuge.

It Sounds Crazy, but Open Your Mind …

Virtually everyone who first comes to the subject of flat earth (myself included) is thinking: “Flat earth? Are you serious? You must be kidding. That’s crazy! Don’t waste my time. That Makia Freeman guy has really gone off the deep end this time …” I know, I know. That’s how I first reacted to this topic. Let’s face it: we’re all conditioned to believe the world is arranged in a certain way. Right from the moment we go to school around age 5, we are shown miniature globes of the world and told the Earth is a ball. Our society makes fun of people we perceive to be crazy or behind the times by deriding them as “people who still think the world is flat.”

But how do you know the Earth is a globe? Only because you were told so by your teacher, who was told by someone else, who was told by someone else, who was told by someone else, who was told by some “authority” or “expert”. We already know the tendency humanity has for worshipping those outside of itself, for unquestioning obedience to authority, especially other people in uniform, white coats or black robes. Somewhere along the way as a child, you were probably shown some books with photographs, but as has been well exposed, space photos and videos are easily faked, as Freemason- and Nazi-controlled NASA knows very well. Those at the very top of the pyramid, who control the media, publishing houses and the education curriculum, do have the means to pull of such a grand deception.

Is Flat Earth the Mother of All Conspiracies?

Whether we live on a flat earth or globe earth is not some passing fad of little importance. If we have been deceived into thinking the earth is a globe when it is really flat, it conclusively proves just how easily we can be hoodwinked into believing lies and absurdities on a colossal scale. If we have been massively fooled about the very planet on which we live, we could have been fooled on any other topic in existence.

Is the debate over the flat earth the biggest conspiracy or the “Mother of all Conspiracies”? Not quite, in my opinion. It’s huge: I’d call it the 2nd biggest conspiracy. The biggest conspiracy though is forgetting Who We Are – infinitely creative, spiritual beings having a brief human journey – and allowing other entities to siphon off our life energy. This includes the issue of what happens when we die (i.e. whether we are forcibly recycled at the point of death through a soul net). Flat earth is a close second, but ultimately, the two issues are connected; authors such as James of the WingMakers have joined the two in their work (e.g. by describing our world as the Hologram of Deception and describing the phenomenon of forced reincarnation). The notion that we are entrapped in some kind of holographic quarantine is highly disturbing, yet deserves our full attention.

What is the Flat Earth Model?

The flat earth model contends that the Earth exists on a giant, flat plane, with the Arctic or North Pole at the center, and a giant wall of ice (the Antarctic) surrounding the entire disc and forming the circumference. The implication of this is that we live in a giant dome, and that “space” as we know it does not exist, and that all the planets and stars we see at night are like projections on the ceiling of a planetarium.

Let’s take a look now at the points for and against the flat earth model.

Points For the Flat Earth Model

Lack of visible or measurable curvature: The horizon looks flat to the eye. Researchers have claimed that the skyline of cities such as New York City and Philadelphia are visible 40-60 miles away from the ground – and Oahu is visible from Kauai at ground level 108 miles away – when the alleged curvature of the Earth should not permit them to be seen. The famous Bedford Canal experiment performed in 1838 by Samuel Rowbotham showed that a canoe or small boat was visible from 6 miles away along a river (when the curvature of the earth should have rendered it invisible below the horizon or line of sight). Is this light refraction or evidence of a flat earth?

Lack of discernible spin: When an airborne plane is trying to land, if the earth were really spinning, it should be difficult for the plane to land. It would be landing on a moving target. Yet no planes appear to have trouble doing this or use a spinning earth in their calculations. Why not?

Admiral Byrd’s Antarctic expedition: Admiral Richard E. Byrd was a courageous explorer who earnt the trust of the US Government. They sent him down to Antarctica on a military mission in 1947. He reported that in Antarctica he ran into UFOs – “vehicles which could travel from one pole to the other in less than an hour” as he wrote in his diary – and found his way into the center of the earth, “inner earth”, where the temperature was warm, vegetation grew and a Nordic race of people lived. Remember, this was a hardened, rational military man writing such things. In this video interview, he also reveals that beyond the South Pole there was still much of Antarctica left unexplored (an area the size of the USA in fact). After this Governments of the world joined forces and made Antarctica off limits and all trips there highly regulated. Why?

The problem of the Sun’s heat: If the sun is really 93 million miles away, how does its heat travel through space (an apparent vacuum) to reach us? Can space conduct or transfer heat? If not, can the atmosphere of Earth take the sun’s light and transform it into heat? If so, how does that work? Has it been proven beyond all doubt?

– The problem of the Sun’s light: Sometimes you can see the sun’s rays coming in at wide angles. How could this be if they were all coming from 93 million miles away? From that distance they are essentially parallel. Does the atmosphere disperse them? If so, how? Has this been proven beyond all doubt?

Strangeness around Southern Hemisphere flights: Why are there so few direct flights in the Southern Hemisphere? Why do planes flying from places like Sydney (Australia) to Johannesburg (South Africa) routinely go via places like Dubai in the Middle East, which is completely off course and out of the way? The direct flight would be around 12 hours and planes have enough fuel to do this without needing to stop. Why are planes’ GPS turned off during Southern Hemisphere flights, so that their exact trajectories can not be easily tracked?

Points Against the Flat Earth Model

Photographic evidence: Some researchers have stated that almost all the spherical images we have of Earth are patched-together composites. However, that is “almost”. How do you explain the existing spherical images we have of Earth, such as this high-definition one?

Faking of all space flights, space station and space footage: We know how much fakery has gone with space footage, whether it’s NASA’s dubious photos and videos of the moon landings or the fake ISS (International Space Station) footage, some showing people wearing scuba gear. China got in on the act too, as can be seen with this bubble escaping the “astronaut’s” or swimmer’s helmet. But given how much footage is out there, can 100% of it be fake?

Satellites: How does the flat earth model deal with satellites? Do they exist or are they faked?

– Varying star constellations: You can see constellations in the Southern Hemisphere that you can’t see in the Northern Hemisphere, and vice versa. How is this possible on a flat earth?

Other celestial bodies: Other celestial bodies appear to be globes, such as the Moon and the Sun, not to mention other planets. Why are they spheres and the earth is not?

The existence of extraterrestrials: Can the flat earth model support existence of extraterrestrials? How do they fit into the equation? Are other planets not globes or planets as such, but rather other discrete and enclosed holograms which can be linked by sophisticated technological travel? Basiago has changed his story now and thinks he did not necessarily go to the planet “Mars” but rather an SQE (Synthetic Quantum Environment), an artificial holographic planetary domain that he was told was Mars.

Whistleblower Randy Cramer/Captain K: How do we reconcile the flat earth with Randy Cramer who claims he was on a spaceship and literally saw it fly off into space, from the Moon to Mars?

Center of gravity: On a flat plane, isn’t the center of gravity at the center of the plane? If so, then when we fall, why are we pulled straight down to the ground rather than towards the center (the North Pole in the flat earth model)?

The Catholic Church supported the flat earth: The Catholic Church has been a leader throughout the last 2000 years of suppressing information, keeping people scared and ignorant, and ruling through fear and guilt. It is highly strange and out of character, therefore, that when it comes to this issue of flat earth, that the Church would be on the side of the truth. The Church killed (or condemned) at least 3 people for proposing the heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo, Giordano Bruno). If flat earth were true, why would the Church kill or condemn those proposing a false model when it has a history of hiding the truth?

Could the Earth be Both Flat and a Globe?

Finally, I will end this article by quoting Project Camelot’s Kerry Cassidy on the flat earth subject. She wrote:

In my view the “flat earth” people are simply seeing things in a hyper dimensional (collapsing the wave) mode. They are seeing a Planet “plane-net” from the point of view that reduces everything out of the hologram view into a sort of continuum of unlimited horizons viewed condensed, as in, down to the “thought” of source vs. the multi-dimensional aspects which allow you and I to navigate and go deeper into the quantum moment for the purpose of ‘experiencing the whole’.

It is similar to the way we view time. We see time as linear when it is actually simultaneous. In reality, time is an illusion. All things happen simultaneously. Well, if space is viewed the same way you could in essence say there is no space … space is an illusion or hologram. Everything it is at the same time infinite and infinitesimal and can be reduced to a single point … zero point or simultaneity.”

As David Icke, the late Michael Talbot (who wrote The Holographic Universe), some Western scientists and many others have said, the world is a giant hologram, that looks, feels, smells, tastes and seems like something solid, but is actually mostly empty space made from energy vibrating at a slow rate. We live in a giant version of the Holodeck on Star Trek. Quantum physics has shown us that the atom can appear as a particle (matter) or a wave (energy) and displays characteristics of both simultaneously. The wave is all possibility until it “collapses” (due to our observation and intent) into a particle and solidifies.

Is it possible that flat earth people are looking at the “wave” aspect of the atom rather than the “particle” aspect? Could the Earth be flat on an unlimited plane, until it collapses into particle form and becomes a sphere?

It is an open question that remains to be solved, but meanwhile, it is greatly encouraging to see people taking such an active part in questioning everything around them, because it is only by asking the right questions that we can gain freedom from ignorance and enslavement.


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Makia Freeman is the editor of The Freedom Articles and senior researcher at, writing on many aspects of truth and freedom, from exposing aspects of the global conspiracy to suggesting solutions for how humanity can create a new system of peace and abundance.







Robert Baird July 14, 2015 - 11:25 pm

If Gravitational Wave Theory supports a flat Earth it is an issue of quantum composition only. Those who supported the Flat Earth paid people who knew better to lie about it. Cosmas Indicopleustas got a Nestorian priesthood or ecclesiastical position near to the Tartar women most Catholic prelates paid top dollar to the Polos to get.

Bishop Ussher got Bishoprics like York or Bede the great liar and historical forger’s old stomping grounds while he drew maps to diminish the Celtic Church which was still large and in charge and telling truth or helping people do good acts rather than the Roman or Pauline Popery that usurped people’s souls and charged to get admittance to the fictional place called Heaven. Pope John Paul II admitted (in 1999) that they created Heaven and Hell along with apologizing for “two millennia of heinous acts”.

Please refer any body who wants to debate either religion or history to and it’s forum.

Cristina September 29, 2015 - 11:12 pm

This is nothing more than Islam propaganda to help support the Koran statement that the world is flat!!

Makia Freeman September 29, 2015 - 11:15 pm

The article has nothing to do with Islam or indeed any religion. It is an open-minded inquiry into the nature of our reality.

someone April 9, 2016 - 6:15 pm

According to the Quran the earth is not flat, moreover it is described as oval shaped.

Hossameldin Mostafa September 7, 2016 - 9:03 am

Btw cristina quran of muslims says exactely the opposite it said that the earth is spherical object and the creation started with a singularity that expanded and will expand over time (big bang) i5s also said that planets orbits a sun

Cristina September 30, 2015 - 2:55 am

Sorry I should say “The Earth is Flat!” theory is propaganda, not your response. Plenty of supportive evidence as well….

Nothing new with Muslim Propaganda it seems. Just the same old same old…. Lets take a look shall we at how reliable Muslims ‘claims’ are, and see if there is a pattern…. => Pamela Geller, Breitbart News: “1001 Muslim Myths and Historical Revisions … Nothing new with the “1001 Muslim Inventions” it is a part of this trend. AlOmega…..

Makia Freeman September 30, 2015 - 11:38 pm

The idea of a flat Earth is found in many cultures and traditions. According to this video:

the Babylonians, Sumerians, Chaldeans, Egyptians, Ancient Vedics and Hebrews as well as Native American Indians, Mayans and Incas all believed in a flat, stationary, earth-centered universe. Buddhism teaches the world is “maya” or an illusion. I really don’t think the flat Earth has anything at all to do with Islam.

Rod January 11, 2016 - 2:35 pm

Do you go by the Gleason map?
I am a newbie to this theory and was wandering if four seperate teams go to the South Pole from four different opposing points then if the world is a globe they would all meet at the South Pole…I realise it would be a difficult mission but with todays technology it would be achieveable…I mean they’re collonise Mars right

Andrew Dickinson January 16, 2016 - 1:05 pm

Such an expedition would never be allowed to take place. The south pole region is totally out of bounds to all but the military run by to so called international community.. They just dont want you going any where near the place… Carry on with your lifes…. Nothing to see here…

Corey Hawkins October 16, 2017 - 11:43 pm

Still a good idea though. 4 teams start south 90 degrees apart heading due south. But instead of going all the way to Antarctica go as far south as you can safely go before encountering military forces. Let’s just say 75 degrees south latitude is the cutoff point. So all 4 teams head as far south as possible at which point all 4 teams turn 90 degrees with the 2 teams on what’s considered the eastern hemisphere turning towards one another and traveling due west and east until they meet each other and then figure out the distance traveled from the point you stopped going south and turned due east or west to meet up with your teammate. The other 2 teams do the same on the other side and then by looking at the distance traveled until each 2 teams met each other would clearly tell u if it’s flat or a globe. Just make sure all 4 teams stop heading south on the very same degree line or they won’t meet up after turning and heading towards one another. Does that make sense?

Noor April 1, 2016 - 9:40 am

Nothing coming from the cesspool radical Zionist called P Gellar can be relied upon to be honest. Pure Islamophobic hatred is all she adheres to, so I this link is truly a waste of time.

JJ May 3, 2016 - 9:55 am

yes yes we get it, Islam is evil and bad and wants to take control of the world as we know it… bla bla bla… Pamela Geller is the second coming of Christ… GREAT.

Can we get back to the topic now

julius wallace December 29, 2015 - 6:28 am

Here is how i see it, the earth maybe be both flat and a sphere at the same time. If anyone has watched the tv series Under The Dome, they will generally get the idea. As mentioned , some people believe that we live in a holographic universe, which is highly possible due to studies on the theory of relativity, giving rise to the possibility of dimensions. the earth could be a flat plane encompassed by a dome like spherical structure all around. following the flat earth theory, the end of the earth could be antartictica as an ice boundary, but here comes the work of the dome, the dome that covers the earth maybe in place to give earth a holographic spherical appeearance, generating a reality that we see as the earth being totally spherical, but not considering the fact that it is flat plain covered by a spherical dome

dauden June 12, 2017 - 2:41 pm

All conjecture and hypothetical… essence, opinion (and not very humble) 🙂

john October 7, 2016 - 6:13 am

Once we establish advanced technologies our scientists will discover a camera that works in space. As most[butnotall]people believe what they see, the theory can be put to rest, but4now while we wait for the advanced inventions of a space camera, a quick google search should such as below should put to rest some of the fear mongering theorists
Go live there if you want, get a job there and claim it for your Continent

Seven states maintain a territorial claim on eight territories in Antarctica. These countries have tended to site their scientific observation and study facilities in Antarctica within their claimed territory.

Apply now for the role of Antarctic Medical Practitioner. Applications for all other positions supporting the 2016–17 Australian Antarctic program have now closed.

If you would like to be notified when applications open please email and we will let you know when you will be able to apply.

john October 7, 2016 - 10:36 am


Vazan November 27, 2016 - 8:55 pm

Robert Baird WHO PAYS YOU?

Star Messenger October 25, 2017 - 11:13 am

For a truly scientific approach to understanding the shape of the Earth, everyone should start here at this link.

If after reading what is presented at the above link anyone can still cling to the Flat Earth Theory you just don’t understand astrophysics. Taking the Flat Earth Theory at “face value” without taking into consideration the rest of the Universe is like what the Ostrich does when confronted with a perceived enemy. The Ostrich, when fleeing from an enemy, sticks his head in a hole in the ground thinking that if he can’t see the enemy then the enemy can’t see him. Brilliant, but wrong, sometimes deadly wrong. The Flat Earth people are the same as the Ostrich. Why this regression in scientific knowledge is taking place as we enter the 21st Century is truly astounding.

To all those who are interested in pursuing an understanding of the Flat Earth Theory, you should do so on your own and stop trying to poison the minds of young, naive, people who are part of this up-and-coming generation. Why do you bother with such a dead theory? Anyone who latches on to this mindset is going to be ostracized from every scientific discipline and will quickly be UNEMPLOYABLE!!

Bill Hickey July 15, 2015 - 11:38 pm

Some of the arguments for a flat earth are compelling. There was a time in my life when I actually bought into it. However, we have enough photography and microscopy now to understand that God makes things round. Of course there is the flat worm, but its cells are round. We have agreed as a collective that what we see in outer and inner space is round. Sacred geometry and all that. For contemplation sake, let’s all think about world peace and clean politics.

Elyas September 11, 2015 - 12:09 pm

Hi Bill
I agree with you with the fact that you say God makes things round. And i do believe Earth is a self sustaining spherical organism, and we are not living on its outer shell, but we are living inside it which is safe and flat. According to Newtonian mechanics if Earth was rotating it would end up becoming a disc because of centrifugal forces.

Boo March 20, 2016 - 10:20 pm

It’s rotating at only 0.0007rpm.. Centrifugal force is almost negligible at such a slow angular velocity… There’s just enough to account for the slightly flattened sphere the Earth actually is.

thejewalwayslies May 19, 2016 - 7:40 am

how did you come up with this? How?? tell me how you came up with this and claim it to be some fact or truth?? how did you come up with this??

murrmac May 29, 2016 - 2:58 pm

basic geometry enlightens us as to these facts… we know the diameter of the Earth, so we know the circumference. We know how long it takes for the earth to revolve once around its axis, so it is a simple matter to calculate how long it takes to revolve in one minute.

Traveller September 24, 2016 - 10:06 am

24 hours in a day, 60 minutes in an hour equals 1440 minuted/day. The Earth revolves once a day (look up the definition of day if you are not convinced)so 1/1440 equals 0.0007

roger April 17, 2016 - 12:44 am

how about in joshua 10- 12-13 when he commands the sun and moon to stop and psalm 104 -5 where it says the earth don’t move and never will? what does that mean? did god mislead us?

Can't fool me July 17, 2016 - 11:33 am

You are aware humans wrote the bible? And as far as I can remember. Humans have, are, and always will be….full of shit.

Star Messenger October 25, 2017 - 11:19 am


Mark July 16, 2015 - 12:04 am

I was thinking how a lot of our Sports are held in arenas where the play starts in the middle of the field/oval and at either ends are the goals/nets?

Not sure why i had to share this but i felt it adds to this topic.


Jimmy T July 17, 2015 - 10:29 pm

I have a theory that explains it all. The earth is actaully bigger than we can see and is a globe, however we are confined to a small area which is in essence flat.

tommy September 13, 2015 - 3:05 am

I was thinking the world we know is potentially a puddle of melt water in a great frozen world around which everything else indeed might just revolve around.

I think there are some who know the truth and gain great welath and power by keeping that truth from us.

dave thomas January 7, 2016 - 4:34 pm

thats exactly the way i see it too.i think it was not made by us.Also,if it wasnt then who is living outside our little piece of this huge planet.?

David May 13, 2016 - 5:07 pm

Problem is,no matter what part of the world you are in, you always violate the Pythagorean theorum. You never see a curve. Even at 73 miles up, no curve is seen. And why do you fly at 35000 ft for 3 hours without nose diving or deceleration to compensate for the curve. Even the artificial horizon never moves and remains constant. At 600 mph youd have travelled 1800 miles. Without compensating for a curve, youd be in the ionosphere by then.

Buzz June 9, 2016 - 5:45 pm

That is easy david. Gravity and air density. At 35000 ft the gravitational pull and air density are virtually the same no matter where you are on earth. Once you establish cruising altitude with the power and flaps set at a certain position, the plane will automatically follow the curvature of the earth. To increse altitude as you suggest should happen naturally, you would have to increase power.

YoungDolph September 27, 2017 - 1:46 pm

Jump then.

Corey Hawkins October 17, 2017 - 12:02 am

Thank you. I agree with u on this one as I have always thought this argument of planes having to nose down all the time a bad argument. However, that said, there is still way too much evidence in support of it being flat compared to a ball. The globalists just have not put up much of an argument at all where the flat earthers continually put up evidence after evidence. I myself am on the fence and will remain so until I am able to perform myself a few different tests. But I must say, I think I’m starting to lean over the fence a bit towards the flat side. However, all of u flat earthers have got to stop using this airplane thing as evidence. It doesn’t help your case because this gentleman is right. Gravity, if indeed there is such a thing, and air density would indeed allow the airplane to maintain a specific altitude with no need of adjustment. If u really think about this one you’ll see his point. But again, that doesn’t mean I’m leaning towards it being a globe because I’m not. We just have to be absolutely critically thorough in working out what’s what here, what evidence is sound and what’s not. That’s all. We need to present evidences which cannot be argued and denied and that has proof to back it up. Such as photographing different things from far distances which should be impossible. People see those who think the earth is flat as nutcases and so arguing things like this airplane thing certainly does not help you look any less nutty. No offense people, I’m just stating a fact. If u don’t like it, take it up with the truth because I’m only stating a fact. Nothing more.

john October 7, 2016 - 6:40 am

give it some thought, the plane is in the atmosphere, why would it be immune to gravitational pull. When I jump off a high cliff into water I land in the water, we all move together, the earth doesn’t independently move alone and I don’t land on the bed of rock, shish I sure glad you didn’t design the world we live in, but your world conspirator friends sure are, now its part of your mythical belief, have adopted their golems and devils angel philosophy to?

Ezra August 15, 2015 - 4:55 pm

The basic foundation of the Flat Earth hypothesis is ignorance. Blatant, astounding ignorance. Ignorance of basic scientific facts, of history, of the philosophy of science and its actual practice. Even calling it a Theory is a demonstration of just how unfamiliar flat earthers are with science.

We don’t need to be open minded and considerate of every bit of nonsense that crosses our path. Some things are so obviously wrong that we can dismiss them with only the briefest consideration. The demonstrations of a oblate-spheroid earth are numerous. They can easily be observed by the naked eye from the Earth’s surface.

The Flat Earth model isn’t able to explain even the most basic phenomena like the constant size of the sun throughout the day, sunrises and sets, and the different times of day experienced simultaneously throughout the world. Their model denies the validity of the scientific system while vaguely imitating it to gain a veneer of respectability. It requires a denial not just of the moon landings but of all space exploration, centuries of study of our solar system, celestial navigation, and basic logic.

That you would entertain such views isn’t terribly surprising given the nature of your website. But it is disappointing.

Makia Freeman August 16, 2015 - 5:17 am

Thanks for your comment. Perhaps it is wisest to admit we don’t know certain things. As Socrates said, true knowledge is knowing that you don’t know. The Universe is a mystery, and it doesn’t always reveal its mysteries to us easily. Those of a rigidly scientific mindset love it when people like Newton and Einstein come along with their “theories” which seemed so great and rock solid at the time – but now, centuries later, we can see they were good attempts but are full of holes nonetheless. Mainstream science likes to pretend it knows everything, and can map everything with its formulae, all the while making massive assumptions which underpin all these formulae – including the invention of certain constants and other figures to balance its equations!

I don’t think a denial of the moon landings is the biggest problem the Flat Earth model has, although if you are familiar with the incredibly lies and deceit of NASA as well as Stanley Kubrick’s involvement in the fakery (see Jay Weidner’s articles on this), you will know just how fake they were. The flat earth models I have seen do account for the different times of day experienced simultaneously throughout the world, and could also account for space exploration and celestial navigation.

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance, as Einstein said.

Elyas September 11, 2015 - 12:14 pm

Sun does shrink when it nears the horizon, but it seems large because of light scattering. This fact can be observed by paying attention to car headlights as they approach us from the distance they do appear as large as the car.
If you look at a few sunsets in the ocean you will see that Sun’s reflection on the water at distance is pretty small compared to the Sun.

Adam Roberts November 28, 2015 - 2:04 pm

I know where you are coming from because I was there too.. However (you knew there had to be a “however” coming ) when an active USN missile targeting and acquisition instructor tells us that no curvature of the earth can be observed at sea, it gets my attention. While I am not yet ready to toss out my globe, it HAS opened my mind into looking into various subjects directly and indirectly related. THAT, in itself, is a good thing IMHO….

Corey Hawkins October 17, 2017 - 12:10 am

U my friend should reread your comment and then realize that u too fall into the very same catagory of ignorance that u are applying to others. Condemnation without investigation is the height of all ignorance and u said yourself how the flat earth can be dismissed without much thought at all. U posit science, and moon landings and space travel as the reason flat earth can’t be as if science can’t be wrong or used to deceive. Have u actually watched some of NASAs so called official space travel footage? Especially the moon landings footage? Obviously not or u would know just how full of holes they are. I suggest u rethink your comment after doing some extensive deep and sincere, honest research.

tommy September 13, 2015 - 3:11 am

Once we feel we have all the answers, new questions should be asked.

wayne October 27, 2015 - 5:09 am

This is the most interesting article I have read about the FE so far in the 6 months or so I have been looking in to it. I have felt all along it had something to do with perception of our holographic universe and how it all is subordinate to our purpose.

J. Thazh October 27, 2015 - 7:59 am

I’m just beginning to consider the “Flat Earth” supposition of reality, so excuse me, if my argument has already been addressed by flat earthers.

The explanation of a flat earth fails to take into account the variation between night and day that is experienced in the world. If the earth were completely flat, the light emanating from the sun (no matter the size or distance of the sun) would be gradiently present accros the whole of the earth at any given time, since it (the earth) is flat and laid out as a plane in front of the source of light. Yes based on the location of the sun the lighting would be varied at different places on earth, but still present. The flat earth concept doesn’t explain how one part of the earth is completely dark at one time and another part is brilliantly illuminated at the same time.

The globe earth however can easily explain this, by the concept that the phase of the earth globe directly facing the sun is bright and the opposite phase shadowed from the sun, by the earth itself is dark.

I can’t see how a flat earth concept can explain this.


Makia Freeman October 27, 2015 - 9:47 pm

People are posting videos faster than anyone could keep up! There are many showing the sun over one part of the world, illuminating that part, and the rays of light not reaching the other parts, which are in darkness (night-time). Here is one example of many:

Kat December 24, 2015 - 2:41 am

Flat earth also explains why you can see the moon in daylight hours during the year whereas the globe model cannot.

Sarah March 2, 2016 - 6:08 am

The moon rotates around the earth, the sun does not. I don’t see how flat earth can explain that. It only works if the earth is a sphere. Look up a graphic to better explain that one.

Buzz June 9, 2016 - 5:58 pm

The global model explains it just fine, but most people don’t understand how the phases of the moon work. They have nothing to do with the earth’s shadow and have everything to do with the angle that sunlight is reaching the moon. Sometimes we can’t see the moon at night because it is below the horizon. At these times the other side of the planet can see the moon during the day. The opposite holds true for when we can see it during the day. The fact that the moon travels around the earth at a different rate than the earth rotates if the reason for this. Never seeing it during the day would lend more credence to the FE model than seeing it.

Denis April 23, 2017 - 4:50 pm

Here’s an interesting experiment for you: When you can see the moon during daylight hours, contact a friend as far away as you can think of on the other side of earth and ask them what they see right then in the sky. How do you explain the results in your theory?

Babyblue November 2, 2015 - 8:43 am

The flat earth theory is so easily disproved it is childish. You just need to observe , with your own eyes, the sunrise and set and the moon cycles to KNOW everything is moving in spherical cyclical motions. 95 % of all conspiracy whistle blowers and theories are BULLSHIT. They even attract entities that feed of those that buy into them all. Humans really need to grow up and start understanding that watching videos on youtube or listening to radio shows is NOT the same as research or learning anything. You are opening yourself up to liars and vampires. Ask your local 10 year old to do the shadow and stick experiment. Go up in an aeroplane or balloon. Jeez. Truthers are such mugs.

Makia Freeman November 4, 2015 - 10:53 pm

It’s important to keep an open mind in the face of new information. Here is a well-done presentation showing that the current Globe Earth theory model cannot account for the apparent lack of curvature on the Earth. According to that theory, you should not be able to see Oahu from Kauai, yet you can:

Kat December 24, 2015 - 2:45 am

If you really think about it, in a globe model of the earth you would never look straight out at the horizon in an airplane. If the earth is curved you would always have to look down at the horizon at airplane altitude. Another thing is that pilots would have to constantly change their altitude lower to account for the curvature yet they don’t. “cruising at 35,000 feet for 4 hours” would not be possible unless they wanted to go into space! Also, if the earth was spinning 1000 miles/hr then flights going against that would take longer than flights going with the spin.

We all seem to know these things but disregard them when it comes to this discussion.

Interested January 17, 2016 - 8:03 am

Planes cruise without changing because of gravity. Gravity is a constant pulling force on the plane, that’s why it has to use the engines to stay in the air.

Jerry July 16, 2016 - 8:37 pm

Listen this excuse of planes attaining to the supposed curve of the earth by gravity is pure bullshit. The planes thrusts are obviously much more powerful than any pull to the earth by gravity so yes unless gravity magically changes its pull planes on a curved earth the plane flying would need to constantly adjust its nose downwards. That’s not how they fly. So the earth is flat period and as long as you believe its a globe proves how brainwashed you must be. Wake up

john October 7, 2016 - 7:25 am

yeah wake up everyone, a tiny little spec in the sky with propellant is unaffected by gravitational pull and like a pelican would soon fly off course into space if it didn’t adjust 4 the ineffective gravity pull. Its one big scam gravity does not exist, there4 if you believe in the oval biblical sphere, lie, why don’t australians and kiwi’s fall up and off the earth. Obviously the earth is flat., der, some people are so dumb

john October 7, 2016 - 11:12 am

yeah how dumb are people, there would be no birds, they would be dead in space, planes to and every australianwould be falling in space, every idiot knows the earth is flat until a greater idiot say it round, then some really dumb stupid ones blieve it, most people believe the first thing they hear, the best time to tell a truth is early in the morning, the idot will just believe as they are either too tired to listen or too rushing to think it through, . why is islam so successful, while christianity has begun to wane and rot like dead fish in the sun, the honest answer ismuslems are way more dedicated, and christians are lazy,

Alexander Lloyd February 7, 2016 - 11:02 am

“pilots would have to constantly change their altitude lower to account for the curvature yet they don’t. “cruising at 35,000 feet for 4 hours” would not be possible unless they wanted to go into space!”

It takes energy input to overcome gravity – if one cruises at 35,000 feet one is staying 35,000 feet from the earth’s surface, so one’s trajectory follows the curvature of the earth. If one wants to go higher you have to adjust the plane’s heading and input energy via the engines.

How would cruising work on a flat earth – is gravity conceived of as fundamentally different/acting less powerfully on moving objects? Otherwise it seems like a flat earth would make cruising at constant velocity impossible as the plane would still move in an arc relative to the planet (horizontal velocity + gravitational force) but the ground does not ‘drop away’. I suppose you could argue that planes are really powered by some kind of secret free energy technology, so engaging auto-pilot actually angles the plane slightly upwards and engages the secret secondary engines to maintain altitude, without using any fuel so as not to give the game away.

“Also, if the earth was spinning 1000 miles/hr then flights going against that would take longer than flights going with the spin.”

You’re forgetting that the plane starts on the ground, spinning at 1000 miles/hr with the world. It doesn’t have to input any energy to ‘catch up’ with the world; its net velocity will always be relative to its starting point, whatever direction it travels. The only thing it has to contend with is wind patterns caused by the direction of spin, which do exist and have to be taken into account.

Now, it IS possible to do a full transformation of physics that will yield a flat earth model; in this model light would have to move in increasingly acute upwards parabolae the further from the surface of the Earth it travels, all objects moving at constant speed parallel to the Earth’s surface would be subject to an antigravitational coriolis force, Antarctica would be infinitely large and all matter would increase in size to infinity the closer it got to the South Pole then reappear on the other side of the world (which would mean you could still orbit the earth, circumnavigate the poles, etc.). Look into Abdelkader’s Geocosmos thought experiment for how Special Relativity can be used to construct highly unusual universal models. However, worth noting that by definition such a model is no more privileged than any other unusual transformation (indeed, because of the large number of inertial forces it would need to invoke it is demonstrably worse). Geocentrists in particular are fond of confusing ‘possible to construct a coherent model using special relativity’ with ‘evidence in favour of’.

john October 7, 2016 - 7:08 am

nonsense, its in the atmosphere, r u suggesting a pelican can fly with the rotation and cover a vast differences or against it and get nowhere or go backwards, its like this, my friend had a clever dog who one day discovered he could swim up river from beach to home with ease, but another day he made little progress tired and he was taken never to be seen again, thats like the high diver, while he was summersalting in the air and showing off , the earth moved, splat, he was as stupid as the dog. I’m sure glad u didn’t design this earth

Mkie November 8, 2015 - 12:17 am

A note to the author, I am perplex as to why so many people believe in the flat earth theory. I think it is because they happen to be religious and for a long time have had issues reconciling the religious view vs secular view, now that a handful of “researchers” want to use old data and “interpret” this data to be what ever it is they want it to be to fit with their own agenda then the rest of people that lack an education in the sciences go along with it because the data shown the way they wanted to look looks to be true. There is plenty of resentment towards the current status quo to go around so it is not a huge leap of faith to go along with the flat earthers since the bible and most old religious texts mention this.
To your question about a weather balloon observing a flat earth, it’s because it is still too low to the ground, you need to be up higher, the ISS is 5 times higher than a balloon, and the earth still look enormously close, but a curvature is noticeable.
Why are there not a lot of pictures of earth… If you understand that
a. 1lb of weight is 10,000 to get to space
b.Propellant is limited
c.orbits are maximized because of lack propellant
Then it becomes easy to understand that
a. no one is going to fund a mission just to grab a few pictures of a round earth.
b. Resources not used for the explicit purpose of the satellite mission can get someone fired or cause whatever they are doing to be defunded or worse.
c. satellites that study the earth have a polar orbit and are too close to capture the full earth so they take slices which are then stitched together.
There is no dome over the earth.. period.. how is it that asteroids have no problem reaching us? How is it that we can detect x-ray and gamma ray radiation from the farthest reaches of space, yet some flat earthers claim that the superpowers (USA & USSR) tried to blow up the dome repeatedly with nuclear weapons but failed.
How is it that everything’s we see sun, moon, stars, planetoids, most asteroids take on spherical shapes past a certain size? (gravitational attraction) The laws of physics would all fall apart if the flat earth were true, but yet we are able to determine the lunar and solar eclipses because we know the orbits of these heavenly bodies.
As you stated already the Flat-earthers can’t explain retrograde motion except to say that it is the design of the creator….yes this is the new resurgence of the creationist movement in sheeps clothing, or a coin tel pro operation to discredit all the researchers and conspiracy theorists.
Additional note, please recall that flat earthers mention ad nauseum the new world order/masons et al however the first world order has been and always will be religion. So when they try to justify the reasons as to why the secular world is a fraud and why religion is the truth, please recall they are merely substituting one system of control for another.
Addendum: I wonder how these “researchers” would try to explain away Einstien rings, showing light being bent around large gravitational fields, that alone would make half their theory fall flat!
Lastly: What is more probable, that this flat earth theory already debunked a long time ago and proven by navigators such as Magellan, and the scientific community through all the natural sciences (meteorology, astronomy, physics,quantum physics, geology, astrophysics) and the million of man-hours that have gone into researching, inventing, programming is wrong? Or that flat earther’s have a religious agenda?
Bonus points, the earth does spin at about 1000 mile per hour, so does everything else on it. get on a train, everyone else is moving at your same speed, take a jump, you don’t move forward because you, the air around you, and the train travel all together, speed is relative. (I can’t even believe this is one of their main points!)
Lets stop the de-evolution. Because we worked pretty hard to get here.

Makia Freeman November 9, 2015 - 10:49 pm

I have some questions:

1. How do you know that there is an ISS orbiting in space?
2. How do you know it NEVER gets into a position to take a photo of the entire “globe”?
3. How do you know satellites NEVER take a non-polar orbit?

You are right that some proposing the flat earth model have a religious/creationist agenda. However, I don’t think all of them do.

roger April 17, 2016 - 12:52 am

because there is none out there. check out some flat earth video by rob skiba you understand…

Buzz June 9, 2016 - 6:17 pm

1. Because you can see it on any clear night with a decent store bought telescope.
2. Because it is in orbit. It is always at the same altitude, so it is never far enough away to take a picture. That is kind of the definition of what a satellite or space station does. It uses the Earth’s gravity to keep it at a certain altitude with minimal expendature of energy. The amount of energy necessary for it to constantly be changing altitude would make it unsustainable.
3. Kind of the same answer as number 2. Non-polar orbits are much more difficult to maintain and require more energy.

Zophiel Ray May 15, 2016 - 4:23 am

You say NASA can’t afford missions to space just to get photographs but…there were 5771 photographs taken in the combined time of 4834 minutes during the six apollo missions.

Outside of setting up the lunar rover and shooting 5 photos every 4 minutes, they had very little time for anything else.

Those amateur photographers managed to take an unprecedented amount of perfectly framed and perfectly exposed photographs with chest-mounted Hasselblad 500EL cameras with no viewfinders, no light meter, shot on regular Kodak 160 ISO film.

(specs on the camera:

This is a very heavy camera that was mostly used for studio work on a tripod. Its not a very good handheld camera because of the weight needed to run the first autoload system.

This equates to;

Apollo 11…… photo every 15 seconds
Apollo 12…… photo every 27 seconds
Apollo 14…… photo every 62 seconds
Apollo 15…… photo every 44 seconds
Apollo 16…… photo every 29 seconds
Apollo 17…… photo every 26 seconds

If you notice, by apollo 17 they were taking more than 2 photos a minute but they also spent 4 hours 26 min in the Lunar Rover driving 22.3 miles around the moon.

In fact, they spent lots of time driving around taking selfies on the last 3 trips because that is all they had time to do. Apollo 16 = 16.5 miles in 3 h 26 m Apollo 15 17.25 miles in 3h02m. Those were busy guys taking those perfectly framed perfectly lit photos. Uh-oh, Houston, we have a problem…the moon is very dark…How dark?

Ask the astronauts (who aren’t really photographers): “When astronauts walked on the surface, they reported that it was dark grey, the color of pavement. Because of its dark color and bumpy surface, it only reflects about 12% of the light that hits it.”

This darkness presents a huge problem since NASA admits that artificial light was not taken or used on the moon. Light and shadow work in specific ways that photographers have spent a long time understanding. I am a photographer…in photography we have a rule:

*Sunny 16 Rule: If it’s a typical sunny day, usually summer, with a cloud or two in the sky with strong shadows, you will set your camera’s f-stop to f/16 and a shutter speed of 1/ISO.

Where you would need to be to shoot those pics on the moon with that camera were not possible. The hasselblad had a minimum f stop of 5.6 and a clunky shutter…with 160 ISO film you would need a 1 second shutter at f4, but that long of an exposure would have to be on a tripod, not strapped to some guys chest in zero gravity…with the shutter open for that long, every shot would be blurry.

Marshall Scott Veach May 30, 2016 - 7:44 pm

I don’t understand why you all seem so content to just regurgitate obvious falsehoods. Over and over. You assert that the six Apollo missions had a combined mission time of ~4500 minutes. Where in the world are you getting this figure? It’s nowhere near true. Apollo 11 ALONE had a mission time of ~12,000 minutes. Why don’t you guys ever question the “facts” you get off conspiracy sites? Has the art of critical thinking and healthy skepticism been lost?

Leslie Piper June 2, 2016 - 3:32 am

Yup. Buddy of mine surprised me the other night with his impassioned delivery of the flat earth spiel.
He’s a fine drummer, and I like him as a person…I’d forgotten that he’d told me about an intense religious background…he doesn’t really think or question, he simply spouts…I should have known he’d heard it somewhere or perhaps ‘got it’ on line from some fuzzball site.

Anders Troup June 16, 2016 - 6:42 am

If the earth were a flat plane, then the centre of mass would be vertically under the “North Pole”.
That would mean people near the edge of the world would be leaning over, because gravity at those locationss would not be acting perpendicular to the ground.
Speaking as a person who is near enough to Antarctica that it used to qualify as a local rather than a toll call, I can confirm that gravity does act perpendicular to the ground, even this close to the edge.

Gareth Keel November 9, 2015 - 8:29 am

So I design and build Point To Point networks, and we absolutely have to take into account the curvature of the earth. So to paraphrase a famous TV show…Myth Busted.

Marc November 23, 2015 - 9:20 pm

Round earth was proven over 2 thousand years ago. Please don’t lend any credence to the silly theory that relies on a vast conspiracy theory, and ignores visitors to space, and visitors to antarctica, and ignores observations of round moons, and planets.

Makia Freeman November 24, 2015 - 12:30 am

Again, I am not proposing the flat Earth model, but exploring the possibility.

Round planets and moons are a problem for the flat Earth theory, however it can accommodate visits to space.

As for your link re: Eratosthenes, couldn’t a flat, round Earth with the sun in different positions on a flat, round plane, also cast shadows of different lengths with sticks in different positions? Seems like Eratosthenes only proved the Earth was round, not necessarily spherical …

See this model which I posted in a previous comment, where the Sun could give the effect Eratosthenes measured:

Brye December 3, 2015 - 3:41 am

Anyone that says they know anything for sure, either way is just flexing ego. There are unexplainable anomalies on both sides. Ballers shout “Two celestial poles” and Flatters scream “Flat horizon.”

Wouldn’t a time-lapse of the sun prove it? I mean if a globe/spinning, it would have an arch through the sky and if flat/still, it would be a triangle of sorts?

Good article! Thanks.

Kat December 24, 2015 - 3:01 am

If you have ever witnessed sun rays through the clouds they form a triangle. Even so, simply math proves the sun is closer that the globe model provides.

See here:

Aloa December 5, 2015 - 10:03 pm

This is an interesting video. It says that it depends on our state of consciousness how we see earth:

Makia Freeman December 6, 2015 - 3:49 am

Thanks for this perspective. I agree with the idea in the video that we may need to “feel” the truth of this, or use both our right and left brain (not just our left brain), to comprehend it. Part of the worldwide conspiracy is that we are trapped in left-brain, dualistic thinking.

And yes, I totally concur with the notion that how we perceive reality (including the flat-ness or globe-ness of the Earth) is dependent on our state of consciousness.

Coleman December 29, 2015 - 6:12 am

The Russians have a weather satelite that took a photograph of the whole earth showing it was a globe? It was the Russians who kept their mouths shut when we lied about the moon landings. It is in their best interest there NOT be a flat earth because that would mean the earth is special and unique and that STRONGLY implies a God….something mother Russia would prefer not be taught nor believed. Russia has no weather satelites and neither do we. There are no satelites. Your GPS works by cell towers…just like everything else. The continents are connected by tens of thousands of undersea cables that carry the data.

Leslie Piper June 2, 2016 - 3:46 am

Coleman…you have such a string of interesting ‘lies’ in your comment. You assume that I, just an ordinary simple fellow, know all about the ‘lies’ you casually mention.

My my. Russians conspire on a ‘lie’ with the US…that the visit to the Moon was a ‘lie’…neither of which you have the faintest smidgen of truth(ever hear about truth? good stuff, you ought to look for some some time) nor fact gained from your own experience in either of those minor matters.

You sir or madam, are a rarity, and I bet it makes you feel like you are a member of some ‘chosen’ group. You’re welcome. Don’t look for me in your gang. Sorry. Yes, I am sorry for you. Much else in your life likely reflects your point of view. Congratulations.

Denis April 23, 2017 - 6:57 pm

It’s interesting that you mention the Russians and the Apollo program to the moon. The USSR was certainly tracking telemetry from the Apollo vehicles and I think would have been the first to cry foul if the USA was faking the moon missions. For reasons of technical and ideological prestige, the space race was very real. There was fear that any nation that could weaponize space or have a military presence on the moon would control the world.

The GPS satellite navigation system was up and running before widespread cellular telephone networks. The two systems are independent but work together in some mobile devices. Try this: take a standalone GPS receiver and take it to the middle of the ocean and it will continue to report your current position thousands of miles away from any cell tower. A more realistic experiment: take your smart phone out in the middle of your local “nowhere” such that you don’t get a phone or data signal at all. If your phone has a GPS receiver you should still be able to get position information that changes as you move.

Still not convinced that lots of satellites are flying above your head at 17,500 mph? How do you explain your neighbor’s satellite television system which is obviously a cupped antenna directed toward the sky and only gets the signal if it is pointed at a very precise angle towards the geostationary earth orbit satellite? Or the other weather satellites in GEO which provide us with pictures of the whole earth (well, half of it anyway) from far away? No artist-meteorologist could accurately paint the scope and features and strength of a unique tropical cyclone days before landfall in the open ocean.

The earth is a spheroid, same as all bodies of any size in the universe. This does not take away from the fact that it is unique, and special, and that the the entire cosmos cries out the existence of God.

Bruce Tompkins December 29, 2015 - 6:42 am

Aloa I watched the video that you posted the link for, in which the person/entity expressed its dissatisfaction? at thinking of the earth as flat as opposed to round. I have been researching this flat earth proposal and have found that there never has actually been actual proof that the world is round, and also that agencies like NASA have produced fake information and images (moon landings) and videos (International Space Station) concerning the earth, moon, sun etc. You would have to investigate this yourself to see the proof of this, but much material is on the internet. What I would like to say is that it doesn’t matter if you believe the earth is flat or round, there has never been actual evidence that it is round, but there is evidence that it is flat and not moving. This doesn’t seem to depend on anyone’s belief as you will not experience the earth as round no matter what you believe. This may be because the Creator God is projecting the earth and universe as Paramahamsa Yogananda perceived in his spiritual experience that he documented in Biography of a Yogi. As in the video you referred to, the being stated that everything is round or spherical including our human bodies. This may be so in the spiritual sense (I have actually perceived my own body as energy in the shape of an egg, not quite a perfect sphere) but I perceive my body in the physical world as a bi-pedal (2 arms and legs) body that is not spherical at all. I believe this is the same as the earth. It may have a spherical spiritual body but the physical body is somewhat different. At least, the land that we reside on is fairly flat but there is a border that we have not gone beyond and it also appears that no one has been able to travel higher than 100K feet above the earth. But here is one simply proof that the world is not a round planet orbiting the sun: I live in Calgary Alberta Canada that is at 52 degrees latitude above the equator. Now in Calgary June 21st (summer solstice) is the day of the year where we get the most hours of sunlight (16 hours). Scientists explain that this is because the earth is tilted 23.4 degrees so in June we are tilted toward the sun and so as the earth rotates we are in the sun longer and have a longer day. Now there is what is called the ecliptic plane which is the plane along which the earth revolves around the sun. This plane is at 23.4 degrees north or the equator (look this up as I can’t really explain this easily without a picture) and when you are standing on the ecliptic plane the sun will be directly overhead. IF you are south of the ecliptic plane you will see the sun in the north part of the sky. If you are north of the ecliptic plane you will see the sun in the south part of the sky. As I have practiced sun gazing a few years ago I started noticing the sun a lot more in the summer. What I have seen is that the sun will move across the northern part of the sky above Calgary in the summer (approx 20-30 degress north of straight overhead. This is impossible according to the globe earth model since I am almost 30 degrees north of the ecliptic plane and should only see the sun in the southern part of the sky in the summer. So the globe model is invalid. But what is the true model? Evidence that the surface of the earth we move around on is flat; experiments that show the earth doesn’t move; and I have also seen clouds behind the sun when sun gazing this past summer so the sun is closer and smaller than science tells us. These are not phenomenon that I am creating from my belief since I didn’t know about the sun’s position relative to the ecliptic plane until a month or two ago, long after the summer months have passed. Anyway, this is a much longer post than I expected to write. I hope this opens you up to other possibilities at least. Thank you!

steve December 30, 2015 - 10:32 pm

All you have to do is pick any 2 spots on the earth and choose them as the the eastern and western most places on a flat earth.

let say hawaii is east and california is west.

If the earth was flat, to get from east to west would take roughly 40 hours to travel west to get to california, however, heading east, it only take 5 hours. Proof..its round

Foxebrown January 4, 2016 - 3:35 pm

Bruh…!! It’s Flat. Stop delving into that programmed competitive winning subconscious mind and start afresh. Approach with a open mind. You wont win any trophy’s but you will gain a lot of knowledge of WHAT YOUR STANDING ON.

Foxebrown January 4, 2016 - 3:30 pm

Every time I come across a Flat Earth vs Sphere/Oblate-Spheroid/Pear-shaped Earth debate I always come across the same level of ignorance (Cognitive Dissonance)directed at those who dare to think different. The response of ridicule to the questions of a Flat Earther is worrying and both scary. It demonstrates how deep the brainwashing of the human “sub-conscious mind” actually is. I compare it to the prisoner in a cell who holds his own cell door key but no matter how much encouragement he is offered to set himself free adamantly refuse’s As much as he wants to be free to free himself without permission is a crime that he dare not commit. Such obedience is truly remarkable. I feel compelled to leave the prisoner in his miserable state of ignorance. Otherwise when they eventually see the light they and their pathetic brainwashed attitude will give true Flat Earthers a very bad name. Let them keep their Sphere/Oblate-Spheroid/Pear-shaped Earth. NASA’s alleged photos show a perfect sphere and now they are verbally telling you it’s not a Sphere but a different shape. Shouldn’t Globers be thinking..!! “Why don’t you just show us the shape in a new satellite photo or Hubble photo” …That would be the most obvious question but NOPE they don’t even do that.

Roman Steele January 14, 2016 - 6:35 am

Wow… After feeling so sad about losing our Starman, David Bowie, this week, I really needed something to chuckle about. So, yeah, thanks for this and some of the hilariously inane comments. Our planet is round and corkscrewing through space like a tail for our home star. The idea of ALL of us existing in a holodeck or as holograms is intriguing, but the number of variables to account for all we can or have observed and measured would number into 10s of googolexes. Sure, we faked the moon landings, but that was a PR stunt to shift the Cold War. For those who don’t understand aircraft flight, pilots/autopilots have long relied on an altimeter, which measures altitude according to barometric pressure. GPS uses satellites. But the plane’s altitude is being adjusted all the time. (It’s called trim stabilization.) Lastly, I would love to hear a Flat Earther explain the “green flash” phenomena that sailors on the open ocean have been observing and recording for hundreds of years. Methinks flat earthers are here to give Truth a bad name. That’s the real conspiracy.

Noor April 1, 2016 - 9:50 am

Yes, yes, yes. Let’s devise an action that will make those conspiracy idiots look really dumb. “Hey, they think no one hit the Twin Towers!” “They think everything is run by reptiles!” “Now they think the world is flat!” “HAHAHA… what idiots.”

This flat earth stuff is also a huge diversion. Huge. Personally it is over my head and I prefer to dwell upon things I can wrap my head around.

I thought perhaps I was just not smart enough, metaphysical enough, scientific enough, but to be honest, I have also considered it to be a great exercise in wasting time, at least for someone who has a little common sense and a lot of life to live. But fun for those who pursue it.

Just not my cuppa.

Dale January 17, 2016 - 11:50 am

It’s flat, I’ve seen pirates of the carribean where they go off the edge.

Why would Disney lie??

john October 7, 2016 - 7:41 am

yeah good point, hollywood wouldnt lie, the world is flat, and demens of hell will torment disbelievers 4ever and ever

Bartok January 18, 2016 - 5:30 am

Your claim about no flights over the antarctic is incorrect.

QF 63 – SYD to JNB
QF 27 – SYD to SCL

Both flights fly daily non stop over antarctica to their destination.

Your claim of “flights from Sydney (Australia) to Johannesburg (South Africa) routinely go via places like Dubai in the Middle East” is also completely inaccurate.

I work on the aircraft and fly the route regularly.

Makia Freeman January 18, 2016 - 9:24 pm

Thanks for your comment. Good to hear from someone who works the route. I did not say there were no flights over the Antarctic. I said: “Why are there so few direct flights in the Southern Hemisphere?”

1. Are flights QF 63 and 27 always non-stop?
2. Are you sure they fly directly over Antarctica?
3. How do you explain all the other flights (from one southern hemisphere city to another) that stop in places like Dubai, Dakar (Senegal), etc.? What about all the reports that planes need to refuel – true or not?

Shane Allen January 28, 2016 - 7:45 am

My question is this. Why?? What is the benefit or reason that this conspiracy would even be concocted?

Makia Freeman January 28, 2016 - 11:32 pm

To entrap infinite beings in a finite, locked system so they could become an easy energy source (food or loose) for the predators.

Stop being silly February 12, 2016 - 10:06 pm

You guys really believe that ? – Come on, its the 21st century not the 7th.

Makia Freeman February 12, 2016 - 10:22 pm

Open your mind. There is definitely sufficient evidence to challenge the globe Earth model. There can be no harm in investigating the truth – unless, like NASA, you have something to hide.

Stop being silly February 13, 2016 - 12:47 am

My mind is fully open to learned people who continue to forward mankinds knowledge with expertise, evidence collection, logic, exhaustive testing and open debate/critical thinking analysis from their peers.

It’s difficult to close that part of ones mind. The part which understands the scientific progression we have achieved as a species, the discoveries we’ve made with technology etc, rather than mans early primitive ideas as to their surroundings (long since debunked) that have no scientific backing, with an additional attached conspiracy that serves no purpose to those who are who are meant to be conspiring.

Makia Freeman February 14, 2016 - 1:39 am

I don’t know yet if the flat Earth will prove to be false, but there is a very good motive for the conspirators to lie about the nature of our reality and world. We are far more easier to deceive then.

Darren July 24, 2016 - 8:44 am

Well get out v there and prove stop typing start looking

Larry Browning January 30, 2016 - 4:47 am

A Flat Earth is an interesting concept that seems pretty easy to prove.

All you need is for someone to go to the southern tip of Chile with a telescope that has a camera attachment.

Set up the equipment by pointing it directly south towards Antarctica. If the earth is flat you will be able to see the ice wall and take a picture of it with the telescope.

And based on the flat earth map, you should also be able to point the telescope due West and take a picture of the ice wall.

Seems like a simple way to prove your theory, if you are actually interested in proving it.

EarthIsRound September 15, 2016 - 3:50 pm

Please do this lol so this theory can be embalmed, have a funeral and put 6 feet under.

Engineer February 24, 2016 - 2:46 am

Lets bring a flatearther to space and make them see the truth

Muffinz June 14, 2016 - 8:12 am

No need, just give us some footage that’s not very obviously CGI

plettpartner March 1, 2016 - 7:48 am

condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorence..

Rouby March 1, 2016 - 6:21 pm

Ok now: if it takes 23hrs and 56mins for the earth to make a full spin around it’s axis, why are we following the 24hrs in a day? Again 23hrs and 56mins for the earth to make a full spin – where do these 4mins multiplied by 365 days go? Technically we should be off somewhere during the year and have different sunrise location either from south west or north.

Steve Howe March 7, 2016 - 7:17 pm

Imagine the Earth spinning while travelling around the sun. Every roughly 23 hours 56 an observer looking straight up will be facing the same direction and so at night would see the same stars. However they will have moved a little around the sun so if they were observing at noon the sun would appear in a different place and it takes an extra 4 minutes for the sun to be in the same place. Conversely, if you observe the night sky every 24 hours there will be a 4 minute difference which is why different constellations are visible at different times of year. After a year the Earth will be in the same position so the observer will see the same as they did in initially. How about all those 4 minute discrepancies? 4 minutes × 365 is 24 hours. If it’s still not clear try imagining on an Earth that didn’t rotate. An observer would always be facing the same stars but would have one day per year. The same one day discrepancy.

Will November 2, 2017 - 6:26 am

OMG…..It’s called February 29th. Leap year.

Leb March 7, 2016 - 12:51 am

I am open minded, even to the bizarre, but I cannot accept the flat earth model. A lot of the arguments seem to be ‘how could this be true if the earth is a sphere, therefore its flat’. I caution you, even if you are confident the earth is not a sphere, it doesn’t therefore mean it’s flat. There are plethora of other shapes to choose from (unless You have positive evidence that it’s flat, not just challenges to spherical models). Could it be a convex dome/hemisphere?

Anyway, I am happy people are open minded enough to challenge deeply held assumptions, that’s science! But, make sure your conclusions are scientific as well.

I wonder how a flat earth model could account for Alaska having 24hr daylight and 24hr darkness while other parts of the world don’t experience this.

Other ways you could test the flat earth hypothesis yourself…

Call somebody on the opposite side of the global earth at midnight and ask them if it’s day or night. Very simple.

Look at energy consumption and internet traffic data. There are known spikes in internet activity after kids get out of school: energy consumption goes down during the night. If the earth was flat and the entire world was experiencing daylight, there would be correlating spikes in energy consumption for the entire earth.

I also wonder about the magnetic field, if the north pole is in the center of the flat disk model, is the entire circumference the south pole or the underside of the disk?

Leb March 7, 2016 - 1:22 am

Another thing to consider and ponder, is the Coriolis effect. North of the equator water even hurricanes rotate clockwise, south of the equator they rotate counter-clockwise. No hurricane has been recorded to occur on or cross the equator. What is the significance of this area on a flat earth model and why is this area generally hotter, especially considering the Sun would be closest to the edge (during sunrise and sunset)?

Another consideration is a lunar eclipse, shouldn’t they be visible to the whole earth at the same time?

gail March 7, 2016 - 4:30 pm

Just notice there are no actual photos of satellites. Hmm

Galileo 7 March 29, 2016 - 2:12 am

Grab a pair of good binoculars, not even a telescope (go ahead and check them by looking at a distant object on the earth).

Go outside at night.

Look through them at the sky.

Observe the ISS and several other satellites in orbit. The ISS is large enough to see as a dot with the naked eye. A good pair of binoculars can resolve its basic shape, easily identifiable.

I’ve done this for fun.

Apparently some have to do it just to believe. That’s fine, use your own eyes.

Liam April 2, 2016 - 4:55 pm

It’s an undeniable fact that many people fail exams because they get stuff wrong unintentionally. Some of them fail really, really badly.

People believe things that are wrong. And some of them get things really, really wrong.

Flat-Earthism is in this latter category.

C'mon Really April 4, 2016 - 3:06 am

Flat Earth??

The only way it’s possible to believe that is if you know nothing about radio waves and have never been on a high altitude plane or looked through a telescope at the right things. You can SEE the international space station, past shuttle flights, you can image satellites going overhead with a large enough tracking telescope. You can send directional radio signals to the amateur radio transceiver on the international space station and have it become available or not depending how well your antenna is aimed.

Have any of you ever had DSS television? Where do you think those signals are coming from, out of your a__??

C'mon Really April 4, 2016 - 3:11 am

I’m sorry I just cant shut up about this.

You realize that if you get together the money you can do things like either ride a Mig 25 up to the ‘black sky’ level in russia to observe the curvature of the earth, or get a zero pressure balloon and send up your own nonstop video feed into the stratosphere that will show you just how round the Earth gets, right?

Or talk to Navy guys who were stationed at McMurdo station?

There’s a saying about being open minded but not so open that your brains fall out.

Makia Freeman April 5, 2016 - 2:49 am

Please read the above comments, plus do your own research. There is more than enough evidence to challenge the current globe model. The Earth may or may not turn out to be “flat”, but the current model cannot account for many observable anomalies. At the same time, the fact earth model may not be able to account for satellites (if they truly exist) and other things. We are in the middle of an open-minded investigation.

Leb April 16, 2016 - 4:31 pm

Could you point me toward experts in the related fields that either question the oblate spheroid earth or support a flat earth model?

Of course the shape isn’t that complex to test, but if we disregard any space photography of the earth, then figuring out the Earths shape becomes more involved. Lay people, even fairly educated ones, are probably not capable of grappling with the complexity of the dynamics involved. Lay people, both for or against these models, simply have to submit to authorities in the field. Superficially, we can make reasonable judgements, but we have to admit severely incomplete knowledge.

By dynamics involved I mean, the movements of celestial bodies, precession, relative motions, wobbles, angles, distances etc.

For instance, the Alaskan 24hr day and night cycle is fairly simple given a somewhat spherical model, but on a flat earth model, it would require a lot of physics expertise to attempt a reasonable model.

There are a lot of areas of science that would be needed to substantiate this model, absent any photographic evidence, geophysics and astrophysics specifically.

Are you aware of any geo or astrophysicist who proposes the FEM?


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When you take that deep breath we all do at times, know that air allows my soul to feel your soul. They didnt teach me that in class either.They said it was just this stuff called air you couldnt see but had to have to live. This means nothing now, but later might save your soul.The soulless can not do this. Just as they can not blush. This is how we stay connected as family.
just as you feel anothers soul when you touch their vessel. This is the beauty and majesty of our creator. Only a fool wouldnt want to taste the glory. satan doesnt want us to have that glory.

Zophiel Ray May 15, 2016 - 2:46 am

In your breakdown of the evidence against the “flat-earth” model you cite this link ( in your question: “How do you explain the existing spherical images we have of Earth, such as this high-definition one?”

I have to guess you forgot to read the article because it clearly says:

“The images posted by Gizmodo are a combination of visible and near-infrared wavelengths, so they show the Earth in a way not visible to human eyes (vegetation looks red, for example). They’re not any better or worse than NASA images, but they show different things.”

How does a “combination of visible and near-infrared wavelengths, so they the earth in a way not visible to human eyes” become a high-definition in your summation? The words “portrait” and “combination” should be your first hint that it is a composite. Do you take photos with your camera phone or does your camera phone combine visible and non-visible (near infrared is not visible in this plane of existence) wavelengths in a way not visible?

Your second is that the “image” was not taken with a camera. The article states that the image was obtained in “one shot” by Elektro-L, not a camera, but a geostationary weather satellite’s 10 channel imager known as the Multi-Channel Scanning Unit. It never once says that Elektro-L is a camera.

It does say that NASAs big blue marble is supposed to be a composite of photographs but it never says this new image is anything but a satellite imaged composite from a 10 channel imager that “carries 3 reflected sunlight channels, and 7 thermal infrared channels.”

The visible channels are not even taking a direct image of the earth, they are imaging sunlight reflecting off the earth. The other channels are measuring heat. What we have here are 7 thermal impressions of the earth reflected back through three visible channels (probably red, blue and yellow filters).

That image is nothing like the description you gave it.

Makia Freeman May 17, 2016 - 9:19 pm

Thank you for the correction. I have heard it claimed there is one shot of the entire Earth that is not a composite. Do you know if this is true?

Leb May 26, 2016 - 4:18 pm

The Earth itself doesnt emit much light, so they only way to image it is to capture reflected sunlight, just like your eyes and every smartphone, dslr and digital camera.

Imager vs Camera, what is the qualitative difference that is relevant here?

Image Sensors have a limited dynamic range (which is why HDR photography is gaining popularity), so in order to capture more light information, multiple bands of wavelengths are targeted.

Brian David Andersen May 18, 2016 - 6:00 am

Is The Moon A Dormant Cold Sun
Over A Slightly Concave Flat Earth?

Flat Earth researchers have discovered numerous anomalies regarding the Moon that are not taught in science classes. Regardless if you believe either the round or flat earth theory, these are the hidden facts about the Moon.
1. The Moon has translucent characteristics
A. Blue sky can been seen in the dark areas of the Moon during the daytime.
B. Stars are observed in areas of the Moon that are supposed to be dark or in shade (no sunlight) during various phases
2. The temperature on the top of a picnic table at night during any phase of the Moon is COLDER than the temperature in the shade underneath the table. These cold temperature waves at night stimulate plant growth such as tomatoes. The light emanating from the Moon is not WARM reflected light rays from the Sun therefore the Moon is logically a light/ electromagnetic generator emanating “cold waves.”
3. NASA claimed that they put men on the Moon during the Apollo program therefore they solved the problem of transporting humans through the deadly Van Allen radiation belts not only while going to the Moon but also when returning humans from the Moon. However in 2014 NASA released a video regarding the Orion program that plainly states they are diligently “working on” the Van Allen belt problem. Why is NASA working on the problem in 2014 that was supposedly solved during the Apollo program? Was the Apollo program a fake due the true nature of the Moon? – A translucent cold energy generator with a round flat surface rather than ball shaped with a hard surface containing solid chemical elements?
Can the cold wave conditions of the Moon increase to the level of a “Cold Sun” thus emanating far more intense lower and pervasive temperature waves?
Sun/Moon Cycles?
Sun – male/yang/left spin – red to green spectrum
Moon – female/yin/right spin – cyan to magenta spectrum
Active Hot Sun – Dormant Cold Moon or Probable Current Phase
Deserts, periodic droughts and heat waves and deeper and more pervasive oceans and rivers.
Dormant Hot Sun – Active Cold Moon
Ice Age with shallower oceans and less active rivers and no deserts.
Dormant Hot Sun – Dormant Cold Moon
Desolation, regeneration and continual plowing under of the surface with volcanoes dominating the land and ocean areas.
Active Hot Sun – Active Cold Moon
Reduced ice and very few small desert areas with North Africa, Gobi region and western U.S. lush in water and vegetation.
Garden of Eden, Shangri-La & Bali Ha’i all rolled into one – supports all sizes and shapes of human, animal and plant life forms including dinosaurs. An eclipse of the Sun by the Moon during this period could trigger significant abrupt geological changes such as the disappearance of Atlantis.
Each cycle creates specific kinds of chemical elements that hold over to the other cycles.
Do all cycles have the same duration or do they differ?
How are the Sun/Moon cycles controlled? – By natural processes or deliberate manipulations by an intelligent and technologically advanced life form therefore requiring a practical rather than an esoteric “god.”
If our home is a flat plain then the surface of the Earth logically has to be slightly concave (intended) with a massive frozen ice rim on the edges to contain the water.

Marshall Scott Veach May 30, 2016 - 7:57 pm

There’s no discernible spin? Uh, really? You guys talk a lot about being open-minded and admitting that we don’t know everything. But sometimes I fear you take it so far that you think there’s nothing to know.

In order to see the truth of the globe model and/or the nature of space, you’re going to need a rudimentary science education. That means some basic math in there as wall

You need to read about Newton’s Laws and The Laws of Thermodynamics. And you don’t have to believe what you read – after you understand their claims then you should devise some simple experiments to test out their claims. When you have seen that they are true, you will be able to cross out about half of the above reasons.

The reason why globe earthers tend to mock flat earthers is that we’ve alll done this work back in high school. Earlier for some of us.

I know it probably feels unfair to you but the truth is that we’re not all on even playing field in terms of knowledge. You guys don’t know enough to even have any idea how much you don’t know. You’re oblivious to the existence of all kinds of argument and subtleties that come naturally to the rest of us.

So here’s what it’s like from our perspective: imagine that all of the globe earthers were blind and all of the flat earthers were sighted. And for years and years, we blind GE’s have been hearing about people like Picasso, Rothko, Monet, Van Gogh… but we can’t see what you’re talking about.. we lack the fundamental ability… (our blindness = your lack of mathematics knowledge0 ..
so we decided one day that enough is enough and we declare that these painting must not exist. when you say that they do and you have seen them we call you a liar and accuse you of beinh paid to contradict us! we concoct elaborate conspiracy fantasies involving like half of the global population In that situation, you would say “but i have seen these painting” And we would say things like you probably saw a cloud and mistook it for a painting. And eventually you would you just laugh at how little we knew.

Muffinz June 14, 2016 - 8:11 am

Marshall, you’ve summed the whole issue perfectly and proven how blind faith in math and science make people blind to different possibilities and ignore new information. Very funny to hear people talk down to others because of things they have covered in ‘high school’. Maybe you should actually look into Newtonian physics beyond a fifth-grade level and you will see that it is all nonsense.

Makia Freeman June 14, 2016 - 10:43 pm
Paul Raines June 22, 2016 - 2:46 am

How do you explain a boat that appears to go over thw horizon but when you pull out a telescope its still there?

Why wont the government allow the public in antartica?

Planets are 2D when looking through a scope because it takes two eyes to make a 3D image, so all 3D images come from nasa. Why are all there photos of earth different than each other?

Why is 7 of the astronuats who supposedly died on the challenger still alive?

When measuring the shadow of the moon with a thermometer why is the dark side of the moon hotter than the lightened side?

Why is Obama against flat earthers?

Why can you see chicago across lake michigan?

Why does the ntire Bible suggest the earth is flat and not round?

Why was a radio broadcast heard in the early 1900’s across earth but there were no satellites then?

Why havent we been back to the moon?

Why was the first moon landing faked?

Why dont planes nose down 8 inchs every mile for the coriolus effect of a 25000 mile round earth? What about snipers?

Why has missles hit the dome and stopped?

Why does the stars rotate around the north star when they should be everywhere in the sky if we are hurling through space?

Why does the heat from the sun reach the earth if it is millions of miles away?

Why does the sun put off triangular rays as if it were smaller than earth and not far away where there would only be parellel light rays?

Why had the clouds been seen behind the sun?

Why do stars glimmer?

Why does a rainbow sugguest the suns refelction from the dome?

Why cant the hubble zoom in and out of the earth?

Why does google earth use a flat earth model and why is parts hidden?

Why can you supposidly see the curvature of earth on the ocean but not in the sky?

Why can you see flat over 100 miles on the salt flats?

Why does each so called planet look different through each telescope?

Why is everything else in motion but not the earth?

Why does the sun circle over head east to west? And why hasnt anyone went around the earth north to south, not just east to west?

Why does the government lie?

Why can people simply believe we live on a flat earth in a dome firmenment created by God and we are the center of creation, and not hurtling through space thousands of miles and hour?

Abd if we are going through space that fast, wouldnt we akready have been destroyed by astroids?

Where is hell, if it enlarges daily if it is under earth?

Darren July 24, 2016 - 9:20 am

Simple GOD DOESN’T EXIST. I right on paper i seea three head flabledocker are u going to beleive me your answer is yes then I will beleive in a god and a flat Earth

Rom February 10, 2017 - 9:35 pm

Believe me. God does exist =). I have felt His power in my life, he has healed me of a physical thing, and I have seen and done things thanks to Him. You are a liar that wishes to spread doubt. Go elsewhere.

Marie August 17, 2016 - 5:02 pm

Have planes flown East to West while trying to end where they started? And if so where do they wind up? If the Earth is a globe then if they started here they would eventually end up here again. Has that ever been done? I can’t understand how Nasa can go to Mars but has never flown all the way around the Earth… ?

Paul Raines June 22, 2016 - 2:53 am

Best Proof Earth is flat. Undebiable.

Marie August 17, 2016 - 5:03 pm

The link does not work 🙁

Paul Raines June 22, 2016 - 3:08 am

Btw Catholics which is a false religion that denies Jesus as God himself, and suggest that there is three seperate gods as a trinity, which is the major belief among most false christian religions. And Catholics are against flat earthers because the Pope announced he believes in aliens and wants to baptize them. So obviously if there is no space, there is no aliens, just the demonic fallen angels.

Marc Sainte-Marie July 16, 2016 - 10:29 am

Was great rational introduction, but you talked only one model, the dome /glass is not a must nor is Earth the center. Idea is not on spinning balls, point.

Jerry July 16, 2016 - 8:53 pm

The earth is flat. Common sense observation and simple science such as water levelling off or seeing objects in the distance the horizon ALWAYS rising to eye level no spin of earth felt or experienced, the suns rays through the clouds shows CLEARLY the earth must be and is undeniably FLAT. When enough people will wake up to REALITY from the cgi nasa lies the false educational brainwashing then it is the globe believers that will be called uneducated.

Seeker of truth July 23, 2016 - 2:11 pm

Ask the right questions and the truth will reveal itself. Believe what others tell you is always a recipe for disaster.

The earth is not a spinning ball. Trust your senses. There is a reason the world must maintain the belief in a ball earth. To keep you thinking you are insignificant and a tiny spec of space dust.

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” Robert Jastrow

Amanda July 24, 2016 - 6:24 pm

The world is indeed flat and thermal imaging does prove it. It’s one thing for both sides of the argument to fling “evidence” at each other but it’s a whole other ball game when one side has that golden dagger to scientifically conclusively prove it’s case.

Despite flat earth evidence being impossible to debunk, there is 1 piece of evidence that people can physically prove it’s flat and that is through thermal imaging. Thermal imaging only works in a straight line, it doesn’t curve or bend, and it doesn’t detect mirages or holograms. What this means is islands, cities, or whatever you’re looking at far away, those things we’re told is mirages because they are beyond the curve…

Well Thermal imaging can tell you whether it’s a mirage or not, it’s that simple. It is the one thing that can tell us whether there is a curve or not.

And people, thermal imaging tells us the world is flat, especially when you can zoom in on someone’s eyeballs from 100 miles away with a thermal cam strong enough. 100 miles away = 6500ft down out of eyesight, or 1.2 miles.

Helen July 26, 2016 - 9:08 pm

Flat or a sphere there are surface features on our world which can be large flat areas,
Mountains, shallow bowl shapes, how do you tell which of these are part of the actual surface?
Only the surface of the sea and lakes follow the shape of the world exactly.
But water is not always flat, storms, waves, and swell caused by low pressure all deform the surface of water, as do the tides which we have twice a day unless you live on the equator where they are minimal.
People will always want to believe that there is a power in control of all this, face up to it we are here by chance, no creator cares for us, but we should all care for each other. August 2, 2016 - 2:10 am

if you look at GoPro skydiver videos like Felix Baumgartner, who claimed to have skydived 21.2 miles, when he opens the capsule, the earth line is flat. But more importantly anyone that has used or seen a GoPro camera knows that the picture it produces is “rounded” , GoPro images and the lenses are not flat. So the videos for Felix are distorted. Look here:

Keenan August 19, 2016 - 6:18 am

Ok so my question would be if the earth was flat who is conducting this “science experiment ” and why would they still be doing this after all these thousands of years?
You want to say we are in a holographic dome but I can’t even begin to think of something or someone who would continously keep making the sun rises and set, continously rise and lower the tide and even better why has there never been a problem say a glitch or server crash if you will? The sun rises and sets at a very predictable time yet we have never been able to create something that has worked that flawless. Also if it is a hologram there would need to be some sort of computer system set for this and then begins the hackers.

Ardi August 24, 2016 - 11:17 pm

And the earth – we SPREAD it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein (something) of every well balanced thing (Al-Hijr : 19)

Jeffrey Stauss August 27, 2016 - 4:28 am

What I find amusing about this whole “debate” is the diligence of those who know what has been known since at least the time of the ancient Greeks, i.e., that the Earth is a sphere (oblate or otherwise). You say “just go out at night with a telescope/binoculars and look at the ISS,” or “look at the pictures from the ISS, to say nothing of the Moon, which demonstrate clearly that the Earth is a sphere.” On the other side, the FlatEarthers will say things like “no matter how high you go, the Earth still looks flat.” That is true, of course, unless you go really high, such as to low earth orbit (ISS), or, even better, the Moon.

What you non-FlatEarthers truly do not get, and I can understand your difficulty in understanding this when faced with such monumental stubbornness, is that the FlatEarthers consider ANY evidence you might present for a spherical Earth as all part of the Grand Conspiracy to hoodwink all of us into believing that the Earth is a sphere, for some arcane reason that I have yet to comprehend. The ISS, or any other satellites? Not there! The Moon landings, or other space flights? Faked! Testimony from scientists/military people in Antarctica? Globalist stooges! And on and on. Bwahahahaha . . .

Marc August 29, 2016 - 10:24 pm

The Church “hides the Truth”?!
hey guys, don’t hide your bias.

the Church IS the Truth.

Jacob Graves September 5, 2016 - 10:06 am

Hey sir are you MTJ ? Im JWG

Kath Burg August 30, 2016 - 1:31 am

The author says the #1 conspiracy is we forget who we really are, and that is true for the most part.
This #2 globe conspiracy is almost the same thing because it is designed to make us feel small (forget who we are).

Jacob Graves September 5, 2016 - 10:02 am

The •’center of gravity’ case against the flat earth model- is assuming theres a thing called gravity.
Flat earth models that i know of do away with ‘gravity’, and instead show that things rise or fall due to thier relative density/bouyancy.
•• Also , to heliocentric globers ..explain how you see the same constelations in the NIGHT sky during the winter as in the summer(but just at a different angle).
If the earth revolved around the sun i shouldnt be able to see Orion at night at winter and summer(or spring and fall) ..because there should be a season that the sun would be in the way.
Etc etc.
The earth is flat. geocentric.
Wow ..the bible had that right all along.(and other ancient texts coincidentally)/

Yvette September 7, 2016 - 4:44 pm

I just like that people are questioning what they are being told. Whether or not the earth is flat, spherical, conical, tubular, or cubical, is not the point. The point is to question everything. Not everything is as it seems.

Terrell Freeman Dey September 9, 2016 - 8:22 pm

M Freeman, thanks for a candid and thorough review of the subject in question… Well presented and written!

Dias Julian September 10, 2016 - 10:57 am

The quran never say that the sun is revolving the earth… but it does say that the sun and moon is revolving and also rotating.. But the sun does NOT REVOLVING THE EARTH.. And quran says that the shaped of the earth look like ostrich egg.. Ostrich egg are almost round.. And the holy quran already tell this 1400 year ago.. Making me love islam more & more..

EarthIsRound September 15, 2016 - 3:47 pm

I honestly always give conspiracies a chance, absorb all the data presented and see if it fits. I usually don’t believe them, but I tend to be a fence sitter and try as hard as I can to stay away from absolutes (especially when dealing with conspiracies). However, this is by far the silliest conspiracy ever. None of the arguments have any weight and some of them have obvious solutions. The earths gravity bends the suns light, go to a lake and watch a boat sail away and you’ll notice the curvature of the Earth pretty quick.

Here’s another problem I have, how can you say with absolute certainty that a planes GPS is switched off during southern hemisphere flights, are you a pilot? Do you work in the flight industry? Or did you just see a youtube video telling you that? Also the lack of discernible spin is a ridiculous point, Coriolis force confirms that.

I am a firm believer in free thought and challenging the norm. JFK was probably shot by the CIA (I have no way of confirming this with absolute certainty, just like I have no way of disproving it), 9/11 might of had government involvement, I don’t know, but it’s definitely possible… BUT THIS!?! This is just retarded, and I rarely use that word, but I seriously can’t think of another word for it. Open up a god damn conventional physics book and thing will start making sense pretty quick. The Earth is a god damn globe, we established that forever ago. Like you can go confirm this out side right now, just like I said before. Go to a big body of water, look at the horizon until a boat comes into play, if it is moving away from you, the bottom of the boat will slowly disappear, if it is coming towards you, the sail will appear first, followed by the rest of the boat.

If the world was flat, physics are right out the door forever and if you really want to believe this conspiracy, move to Saskatchewan or Manitoba for the best simulated flat earth theory theme park!!!

Riaanoman October 17, 2016 - 7:09 pm

Where are the stars in the high definition photo of the earth?

Henry Walter November 15, 2016 - 2:43 am

lets take a look at the carbon tax. what is water? co2. 1 carbon 2 oxegen. take away the carbon, or reduce it, what do you get? a drougth. these global warming guys are causing severe weather.

Andrei December 9, 2016 - 6:01 am

The Catholic church could not support the flat earth theory for more than 2000, because the Catholic Church is not even 1000 years old.

The Catholics were “born” in 1054 thus making the first Christian heresy – a heresy that most of the world seem to accept as Christianity.

JH December 15, 2016 - 7:46 pm

It is baffling how ignorant this article is. All the points in favour of a flat earth can be rebutted with basic knowledge of geometry and physics (high-school level).

1) The lack of visible curvature (it may not be easily visible but it is definitely measurable) is due to the large radius of the earth (3950 miles). With geometry you can calculate that from 108 mi (as the distance between Oahu and Kauai) you would be able to see anything (person or structure) higher than 3 feet. If you do not believe anybody to tell you what the diameter of the Earth is, you can replicate Al-Biruni’s experiment a thousand years ago.

2) The lack of discernible spin is down to Newton first law of motion (which as above you can also test yourself if you don’t believe anyone). We are all moving at the speed of rotation of the Earth ~1040 mph (2*pi*radius of the Earth divided by 24 hours in a day) and will continue to do so unless acted upon an unbalanced force. If that wasn’t the case, imagine how painful it would be everytime we jumped and lifted our feet from the ground. And again, if you do not believe we are spinning, how would you explain the movement of the sun, the moon and every planet and star we can see and track? And honestly, you cannot really believe everything spins except the Earth.

3) Sun’s heat is due to thermal radiation (okay, this concept is more university level) and it can be quantified, and you can test it yourself if you don’t believe anyone). When you bake food in the oven you are heating with thermal radiation (if you use the fan, you also heat by convection).

4) Even if you believe Admiral Byrd’s accounts, there have been countless expeditions to Antarctica (including the Admundsen expedition that reached the South Pole for the first time in 1911). Then if you rather believe the person who saw UFOs to all the well documented accounts of these explorers, what can I say…

5) There other more credible reasons to why flights would not fly over Antarctica, e.g. Prevailing winds, commercial reasons: I understand that planes flying below 72 degrees latitude require special survival equipment on board by regulation, making this route economically less attractive.

6) are satellites real. How exactly do you think the GPS on your mobile phones work? One CIA guy per person with GPS manually inputting your location?

Generally, Conspiracy theories feed on the lack of evidence to disprove them, which is fine and often thought-provoking. This flat-Earth conspiracy article doesn’t even try to present unverifiable information.

As the article tries to conclude, ignorance is enslavement and if you want to liberate yourselves, then educate yourselves. Not by reading rubbish on the internet, but by learning mathematics, physics, astronomy, and other sciences which will actually teach you how to prove facts and disarm false statements. Please do it even if it is only out of desire to disprove that the Earth is round, you’ll be truly surprised!

justaThinker January 2, 2017 - 5:04 am

A number of flat earth videos showed up in my stream recently, and i watched a few of them. It makes me wonder.

I’ve never been into space and can’t say for sure. Experts say it is round and most people believe it too.

It doesn’t necessarily mean it is right, just what is accepted as right, and i pretty much accept that for now.

I don’t have the time to set up big experiments, but i did set up a blender test scene.

I made a 1:1 scale globe and a flat plane in blender, with a camera eye to ‘film’ the horizon up to 30km (for compare to camera footage).

Lets just say it still left me wondering.

I thought about it for some time, and came up with some ways that can either warrant further investigation, or disprove the flat earth theory.

They all involve Antarctica:

1: a) Find an accurate measuring device for distance traveled.
b) Bring it directly to the nearest edge of Antarctica.
c) Place a physical marker at that spot.
d) Begin measuring at that spot as you follow one direction of the coastline.
e) Measure with the coastline sight from the same direction and distance at all times.
f) Continue until you return to the marker.
e) Upon arrival at the marker, compare distance to expected distance of Antarctica’s coastline:
i) If the distance more than expected (eg. multiple times larger.) -> re-investigate further (north too, etc.).
ii) If the distance within what would be exptected -> flat earth disproved.

2: a) Bring a GPS and go directly to the nearest edge of Antarctica.
b) Place the first physical marker at that spot.
c) Use the GPS to go directly to the opposite longitude edge of Antarctica ((current longitude) – 180).
d) Place a physical marker at that spot.
e) Go directly back to the first marker in a completely straight line.
f) upon arrival at the first marker, review your flight plan:
i) If you crossed the equator -> re-investigate further (north too, etc.).
ii) If you do not cross the equator -> flat earth disproved.

Taylor Blessing January 21, 2017 - 6:49 am

Have we for real not figured this out yet. yeah, take it from this high profile name who also claims to have teleported to Mars. Thanks for the input Andrew. Basiago for prez, haha nuts.

Wildcat January 27, 2017 - 11:02 pm

A flat earth could “revolve” , the stars could “revolve” too in unison or separately. Could explain some things. If “gravity” can affect a plane 30,000 feet up, it must be very strong – so strong that we could not even lift our feet off the ground. If the earth spins/revolves how does it keep revolving, great perpetual motion I guess. Not taking sides, just exploring ideas.

Zach February 22, 2017 - 7:03 pm

Why does the UNITED NATIONS flag have the FLAT EARTH MODEL on it??? hmmmm

If water flows downhill or down a mountain, then how all water not flow toward the “South pole”.. BECAUSE Earth is flat!

We live in a dome with the sun and moon circling below the firmament!

Zach February 22, 2017 - 7:06 pm


Vic Morris March 16, 2017 - 11:58 am

I have wondered about this issue for a while, having been brought up to believe the world is round and then hearing about the renewed flat earth movement. Anyway I thought of a couple of exercises to try to prove the solution one way or the other.
I took two locations about 30 degrees apart at the +30degree N latitude and two locations 30 degrees apart on the -30degree S latitude and compared their distances and found that the south pair were farther apart than the no0rth pair.
Then I looked at the longest bridge in the world, 165km long bridge in China. The bridge decks are dead flat and the water level seems to be parallel the whole way along, at least as far as the photograph shows. I then calculated how much the water should have bulged along the length of the bridge if the world is a ball and found by simple Pythagorus that the water should have been about 450metres above the bridge deck in the middle of the bridge, but it is clearly not, the water level is flat, just like the bridge. This seems like a fairly reliable indication that the earth is flat.
I would be happy to hear what other think of these approaches.

bluewater April 24, 2017 - 12:41 pm

The Universe is 70% DARK ENERGY,of the remaining 30% …..26% is DARK MATTER. That leaves 4%,of that .01% is THE VISIBLE UNIVERSE WE SEE.
Most of what we are taught in Academmia is BOGUS!!!
THE OLD SCHOOL FARTS (Physics,Einstein etc ) is over..A new Paradigm is emerging with a new Physics that is seen all over the universe. Nikola Telsa was way ahead of these IMPOSTERS.
We do not understand much of reality,because we have been lied about everything,but MANY are here now to show us the way to the NEW EARTH which is not FLAT.
With the discovery of ET technology and Pyramids bigger than Giza and flowing rivers with 80 degree temperature under the ice in Antartica…we will have new technologies,rather than the antiquated
OIL SCAM being used to keep humanity in Slavery.
The revolution that is going on now is because the OLD SYSTEM is Collapsing and a better world will be for humanity.
IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED ..NO WORLD WAR 3,but the CABAL is using electronic manipulation….,but their days are numbered!!!
you will not be affected by THE CHAOS around you…

Daniel May 8, 2017 - 2:51 am

You know what surprises me the most. All the people who fill these message boards telling flat earthers how wrong they are. There’s lots of conspiracy theories out there but only flat earth era are challenged with such hatered and anger. Why the back lash if someone wishes not to believe the way you do. So what. Makes me think flat earthers have struck on something.

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Mr. Peterman June 1, 2017 - 3:17 am

Wow… you guys really are looney toons… good luck with the tin foil parties… this was definitely nice for a couple of laughs.

thekinghascome June 10, 2017 - 10:43 pm

We are told the earth spins 1,000 MPH eastward at the equator. If true when I fly from LA to Boston I would never get there. From Boston to LA as soon as the plane took I would need to land. How simple does it get. This is basic physics and math.

Put a time lapse camera pointing to the north star and you’ll see a swirl of stars. The same stars revolving around the same STATIONARY flat earth since the beginning of time. How is that possible travelling at 6.000 MPH around the sun like you pals NASA and Neil tell you. Oh the stars travel around the sun too? Don’t be a fool.

I feel sorry for you ball earthers. Project Monarch and Mockingbird beat you. I beat them and you.

bluewater June 11, 2017 - 1:46 pm

The physics you are talking about is not the PHYSICS OF THE UNIVERSE which is totally something different..but since you know everything stay in your HOLLYWOOD REALITY MATRIX and keep sleeping.YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FEEL SORRY FOR THE REST OF HUMANITY….they will do fine without you….. IN TIME EVERYONE WILL AWAKE when it is THEIR time…yours is not mean to be yet as you are TOO MUCH OF A YOUNG SOUL!!!

bluewater June 12, 2017 - 12:53 pm

Proof you can verify yourself that many people on this planet know the truth and keep it a secret. this video will prove our reality is not what we think it is. We are in fact in a simulation reality. People I suggest listening to:

The Ubuntu Movement by
Micheal Tellinger

The Venus project by
Jacque Fresco

Marko Rodin and Randy Powell: vortex math

Nassim Haramein: “black whole”

Richard Burgess November 1, 2017 - 8:17 am

Not understanding your environment (Virtual or real), and keeping a secret are not synonymous.

Adam July 7, 2017 - 9:10 pm

All the unintelligent people who don’t understand how a plane can go against the 1000 mph turn of the Earth simply don’t understand the basic world around them.

How is it that in a car, you can toss a ball in the air and it doesn’t move backward at 65 mph, the same speed the car is moving, but as soon as you toss a ball in the air from the car outside of it, the ball goes speeding backward (or the car moves forward, it doesn’t matter how you look at it)? The same concept applies to a plane and any other flying object. The plane is like the ball inside the car and the car is like Earth. It’s the same reason when you jump up in an elevator moving downward, you only go up the same amount as if you were jumping on stationary ground.

Until you leave the Earth’s atmosphere, you are moving at the same speed it is. And why don’t we feel like we’re moving at 1000 mph? Ever been on a ride that goes around in a circle? The bigger that circle becomes, the less force you feel pulling you outward. On a planet that is 24,000 miles in circumference, to only move 1,000 miles in one hour is the equivalent of moving 1/24th of the way around a circle in an hour. It doesn’t matter how big the circle is, you can make the circle as large or as small as you like. Moving 1/24th of the circumference in one hour will make it impossible for you to notice any force being exerted.

David Jameson November 7, 2017 - 4:49 am

The problem may be multifaceted and paradoxical…I don’t think lack of intelligence is the problem so much as stubbornness, plus a desire to feel “in on” a huge “secret”, plus incredibly poor use of skepticism (applying it only to “what we’ve always been taught” rather than applying it equally to some of the nonsensical counterproposals). Another factor is deliberate dishonesty by “Flat Earth Educators” who are just faking it to supplement their incomes.

Adam July 7, 2017 - 9:53 pm

Questions I’d like flat-earthers to answer:

1. When you look in a telescope and see the moon, how do you explain that it is spherical?

2. If you tried to answer #1 by saying that it looks like a flat circle, explain how when you look at the moon through a telescope hours later it looks entirely different. The same craters you saw the first time appear to have moved. New craters are there that you didn’t see the first time. All perfectly explained by a rotating spherical object. How do you explain that the any other object you look at through a telescope in the sky does the same as the moon?

3. How do you explain the hundreds of thousands of people over the years of space launches who watched through binoculars and telescopes and saw the entire trajectory of rockets and ships go into space?

4. How do you account for meteors and meteorites that hit the Earth? Are you saying that all the scientists who study them and determine they didn’t come from Earth, the sun, or the moon are all being paid to lie as well? In addition to all the governments? And all the astronauts and their family? And all the other people who have lied? And not one has ever come forward to provide a shred of evidence that there is a massive worldwide collusion?

5. Will any of you flat-earthers be willing to take trips into space on a rocket ship in the next 20 years, as tourist flights become cheaper? Or will you come up with some lame excuse like it’s too expensive or the view from the ship is really a giant holographic image?

6. If the Earth is flat, how come if I get on a plane on the 45th parallel north of the equator and head straight East and continue to do so long enough, I’ll end up where I started? And if I do the same thing 45 degrees south of the equator at the same speed, I’ll end up where I started in almost the same time (wind speeds will account for the difference). Because if the map of the flat earth is true, traveling around in a circle south of the equator should take much longer than north of the equator. Significantly longer.

7. Who is supposedly projecting all the other objects in the sky on the supposed dome surrounding the Earth? Are we literally lab rats like in the show/novel “Under the Dome”?

8. Why would people cover up the Earth being flat? Mind control? Are the governments in league with whoever put us here and whoever is controlling the projections of the objects in the sky?

9. What keeps us on the ground if it isn’t gravity? The flat earth moving up at high speeds? If it’s moving up so quickly, how come it doesn’t crush us like when a big object falls on us quickly? If we jump 1 foot into the air shouldn’t it flatten us from the ground up, just like a piano 1 foot above us would flatten us from the head down?

10. And for that matter, how are we able to jump up if we’re already moving up at the same speed as the flat earth? Isn’t that the same dilemma flat earthers argue against when they say an object can’t spin at the same rate if the earth is moving at 1,000 mph or else we’d feel it?

11. How does plate tectonics work on a world with an edge all the way around it? Do flat earthers not believe in plate tectonics?

12. Why shouldn’t we believe what science can prove? Any person in the world can learn science and see simple empirical data that the Earth is round. You say we shouldn’t believe what people tell us that the Earth is round, but instead believe what people tell us that the Earth is flat!

13. If the Earth is flat, why can’t you take a strong enough telescope from say, 20,000 feet in the air at the equator and see Antarctica on one side of you looking out at the horizon, and the arctic north on the other side of you on the horizon? Heck, you can get 250 miles from Antarctica on supposedly flat ocean and not see Antarctica with a telescope! If the Earth was flat, wouldn’t you see Antarctica rising above the horizon?

I have so many more! Nothing proven by the flat earthers gives hard concrete, scientific evidence. Instead, it tries to explain things by belief and the use of the naked eye.

bluewater July 22, 2017 - 10:17 pm

Why The CIA Started The Flat Earth Theory

Ryan August 7, 2017 - 10:17 pm

The first problem with both theories is they are both wrong. The second problem is they are both right. The third problem is that everyone thinks they know everything. The fourth problem is no one takes the time to research anything regarding the opposing view point with honesty. The fifth problem is no one wants to take any time to understand the human element behind organized systems of thought and admit that science and religion are both matters of faith. The sixth problem is that facts are absolute. The seventh problem is I’m hungry and need to get a gosh damn pizza. And with that, the eighth problem is that anger and name calling towards others for not believing your faith exposes how easily you are bought and sold by the words of other men regardless of all truth. It reveals pride and arrogance and shows you to be a fool even if you happen to be right about the argument.

Carl October 20, 2017 - 10:04 pm

Hahaha you are so right 😉

Kamau August 30, 2017 - 3:20 pm

I’m going with the bible. Its eminently clear what the shape of the earth is.

Flat Earth Henry September 10, 2017 - 6:11 am

Very interesting article. The flat earth is one of the greatest stories ever denied by the controlled mainstream media. Keep up the good works!

Charla October 18, 2017 - 7:24 pm

So if we are living in the end of days as we know it and ELOHIM said same time i will pour out all truths. Ask and see.

Richard Burgess November 1, 2017 - 8:04 am

Since we live in a Virtual Reality, it is possible that the world you see and perceive is geared towards your level of education and understanding of science, or in this case, the lack thereof. The ant sees the world as flat due to a lack of experience and its inability to research beyond the anthill (there is no Google-Ant, at least I am fairly certain there isn’t… yet).
I think what causes this to sadden me just a bit is that until the federal government got fully engaged in our education system, most 9th or 10th graders knew of several fairly simply science experiments that proved beyond any tamper-proof doubt that the experimenter was standing on a sphere, or spheroid – a large ball, a globe – you know, the round thing where an infinite number of lines, all starting from its center extending in all directions are roughly the same length?
And my sadness also deepens, just a little bit, when they keep saying flat, but in almost every case they go on to describe what can only be called a cylinder.

Frenetic Zetetic November 14, 2017 - 8:48 am

Earth is most certainly not a 25,000mi water sphere hurling through space.

Cathy Rooks November 28, 2017 - 8:11 pm

This article is mixing in some flat-earth “proponents”
who have other ‘wild” ideas not generally accepted by the great majority of the movement (“hologram” reality,
“hollow” earth, teleportation, forced reincarnation,
and so forth). Andrew Basiago, for instance, is NOT
considered a reliable spokesperson for the Flat Earth
view. This practice of “lumping together’ ALL KINDS OF ALTERNATIVE IDEAS is stimulating unfair disparagement
and ridiculing of the genuine paradigm that many are
giving of themselves to uncover. Please consider editing
this article to reflect more accurately the true nature of the movement. Thank you.

Makia Freeman November 28, 2017 - 9:00 pm

I am aware that many FE proponents do not mention the holographic model of reality. That is my opinion and my addition to the puzzle.

I have listed people at the start of the article who are the pioneers of the FE movement, including Eric Dubay.

Snipster March 19, 2018 - 8:24 pm

How is it that a globe is round and anywhere on any continent it seems flat. And why is Australia said to be down under? Wouldn’t they be upside down? So how can they be both right side up and upside down at the same time? Why do we say Washington is up and Texas is down, this is crazy it’s Flat and immovable folks take your head out. You say we’ll fall off the earth is it’s flat, we’ll I’d say you’d have a better chance of that trying to stick to the side of a spinning ball you’d need a lot of gravity. No scientist has made a case or taught it in our schools to make it undoubtedly clear that it’s a ball, because it can’t be done. Ask Neil degrass Tyson he can’t explain it.

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Roland Liess July 9, 2018 - 2:54 pm

I dont suppose Ive read anything like this before.

Angela Forman August 19, 2018 - 1:03 am

That photo of the earth is not a photo it is a cgi image. Its flat …..nut I assume you know that by now?

NASA August 21, 2018 - 1:34 am

If the Earth is flat How do day and night work?

You say the earth is moving at 100mh which is true but “if I fly East il never move”

Have you ever been in a car and tossed a ball it doesn’t fly back at 65m” Our society is so dumb.

bluewater August 22, 2018 - 10:26 pm

I am not saying the Earth is FLAT.
But if you are going to believe in that…it is more like a spaceship with a dome and not what most think is..A FLAT Terra like platform…
Much is just a hologram.
There are many twists and turns in the truth.
Planet Saturn is key in keeping the hologram (our physical existence/Earth) in place in this solar system. Saturn transmits sound frequencies that is extremely distorted/off-key; it can be heard in NASA videos. These sound frequencies can only be heard within the realm of human perception when slowed down (within the frequency band of the trap). The frequencies that Saturn and other planets transmit are frequencies that help keep Lucifer’s (Bible’s villain) hologram intact, including ‘us’. The physical universe we perceive is achieved through advanced ET technology. See and hear the slowed-down sound waves of Saturn in this video:

I am October 18, 2018 - 4:42 pm

I know that the earth is flat, I did my research and my thinking.
The spinning ball earth trap is by far NOT the biggest issue we have.
However, this topic is most likely our last and best chance to wake up.
It forces us to think and to be critical.

Build up esoteric knowledge and grow a spiritual understanding.
Stay intrigued, keep questioning everything.
Loose your dogmas.
I know it is all very difficult to grasp, so much brainwashing since our early years.
We all felt for it.
3% is needed to break barriers. Please, be one them, the time is now.
Let us at least try to restore balance between (D)evil and Go(o)d.

James December 12, 2018 - 2:49 am

Great article! I would encourage anyone seeking to understand more about flat earth to read The Verticon File, a new conspiracy thriller by Brian Weimer. This book explains in details the historic timeline regarding the international implications to conceal flat earth and why. It addresses the NASA lunar missions and how we were all deceived by the powers that be, and the scope of the overall agenda. It’s a great read! God bless everyone in their quest for the truth.

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JuliusSP1 . November 12, 2020 - 2:46 pm

It is really disappointing you wrote this. I no longer can take anything you write seriously

pjproudify . January 3, 2021 - 11:06 am

I was first introduced to the spinning ball conspiracy in second grade. For the life of me, I could not picture it. I would lie awake in bed and TRY to picture this, but IT MADE NO SENSE! Life simply cannot sustain itself on a spinning ball. Also, we call it sunSET and sunRISE, moon SET and moon RISE! During crescent and half moons, why can you see the blue sky where the light is not? It’s amazing how brainwashing works, even though the Truth is as plain as the nose on your face. Also it is the Arctic CIRCLE, to keep everything in, conveniently changed to Antarctica.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, CIA Director

Julián Katari February 12, 2021 - 3:29 pm

So sad to see so many good, true things shared here regarding covid and other conspiracy facts being mixed with this, which is just another cult and psy-op of the elite. Probably this site is funded by that, anyways, you only do more harm than good.

Ermanno May 1, 2021 - 12:29 pm


pjproudify . May 21, 2021 - 1:34 pm

When the heliocentric earth was explained to me in the second grade, I could not grasp it. I would lie awake at night trying desperately to make sense of it. Even a small child can see clearly that life can not be sustained on a ball traveling through space and spinning at 1000 mph. The sun RISES, right? The sun SETS, right? Same with the moon. And if the moon is a solid ball, why can we see the sky through the part that is not lit up? The spinning ball theory was started by Notradamus in the 1500’s, to take us away from God’s Truth.

MasDab78 November 13, 2021 - 8:54 am

The two models of the earth, globe and flat earth models, both have weakness that are very easy to understand, but are very basic things.
We all understand, and it’s an undeniable fact that the 4 main compass direction is real, not imaginary.
How do you say “Middle East”, Western, eastern, and else, if the compass direction are imaginary?

As we know, all compass direction in both earth models are imaginary. The worst directions are west and east!

When we called “Middle east”, thats a real direction, that the pointed location is actually placed in the MIDDLE of the EAST part of This earth. Can we determine it in globe model, or flat circle model of earth?

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